to think disabled people should be able to park in P&C spaces if the disabled spaces are full?

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Someone I know today was moaning about an "old biddy" who had parked in a P&C space because there were no disabled spaces left. Now I actually have a blue badge for my DS who has no sense of danger but I only use it in car parks where we can't park near a footpath. If we can park near a footpath in a normal space then I will park there and put reins on him or hold his hand.

I just think it's a shame that people would rather an elderley person or disabled person struggle than offer them their P&C space!

YANBU

YANBU, it's a no-brainer isn't it?

Having a small child with you can be tricky, but not as tricky as being disabled so clearly blue badge = priority.

Saying that, surprised there was a P&C free when all the disabled spaces were full, usually former much busier than the latter...

Seems fair enough to me.

I already thought they were allowed to!

YANBU if the person was actually disabled or frail. But there are plenty of "old biddies" who are able-bodied and selfish.

Yanbu.
I can't see the big fuss about p and c anyway but would always give one up for someone who is disabled.

For them it's a need for parents (unless them or the child is disabled) it's a convenience

Fair enough, but we always have the opposite problem round here. One car park we sometimes use when we go out has 3 floors of disabled spaces (always empty except maybe a couple of cars) but not one P&C space!

Then you park in a normal space

YANBU and have myself berated a perfectly able mother with toddler who I came across SCREAMING at an elderly couple (gentleman walking with 2 sticks, lady very doddery) for parking in a P&C space.

They had a clearly displayed blue badge, but she was really shouting at them and how 'selfish' (!!!) they were being.

I was fucking FURIOUS with her

100 percent YAUBU.

However (dons flameproof suit) , I will admit to being hacked off when blue badge holder take P and C spaces when there are blue badge spaces free.

Agree with amuminscotland

There's a department store we sometimes use (their toy department is ace) that only has 2 tiny lifts in a 5 floor shop. Waiting for the lifts with a buggy takes forever as theres always loads of OAP's waiting to use them. I can understand them not taking the stairs but what's wrong with the escalator?

100 percent YAUBU.

However (dons flameproof suit) , I will admit to being hacked off when blue badge holder take P and C spaces when there are blue badge spaces free.

then you park in a normal space

I do sirzy, it just annoys me that the car park owners don't realise they clearly don't need 3 floors of disabled spaces when I've never seen more than a handful being used.

YANBU. Some parents are so up themselves they think nobody else counts. When I first heard of P&T spaces I thought 'good idea' but now I'm beginning to wonder. Why should parents be allowed hog the spaces by the door, have reserved spaces that even very elderly people aren't supposed to use etc etc? A few extra wide spaces in some general area of the car park, with an understanding that if an elderly person can't get a space there is nothing wrong in them taking them -fine. Healthy 30 somethings ranting at pensioners and 'demanding' prime spaces - not fine.

If you are elderly and /or a bit doddery on your pins sevendwarves escalators are the last place you'd want to be!

toddlerwrangler - is it not more likely that when the disabled person arrived, there were only P&C places free, and then the disabled spaces freed up during their visit? Given how many people use the disabled spaces to "just pop in" to the shops even though they don't have a badge, there can be a lot of turnover on those bays.

Sevendwarves,

My mum (age 78) is terrified of escalators after being caught in one a couple of years ago (too doddery to move quickly), and falling over leaving her with bruises and grazes that took over 3 months to die down, causing her a lot of pain.

Some OAPs are too scared to use the escalators

If you are able bodied and able to collapse the buggy and carry a child without too much hassle it may be quicker than waiting for the lifts, but please dont resent the OAPs for doing so

Valium most of them arent particularly elderly or doddery, just above retirement age

YANBU. P&T spaces are a courtesy, not an obligation. Although not every business has them near to the shop itself - some place them further away but with good pedestrian access and have the disabled spaces much closer to the shops.

sevendwarves - I wish we lived wherever you are, I've never seen anywhere with that many disabled spaces.

My father is elderly and uses a walking stick and is very doddery on his feet. If someone called him 'selfish' for using the lift and suggested he use an escalator I know what I'd say to her.

LtEveDallas that sounds awful! No wonder she doesn't use them anymore! Perhaps I'd better let them off in future!

YANBU

I don;t have a bloue badge and I would aprk in P&T if one of my disbled boys was melting down if I didn;t have a toddler anyway. No brianer: safety V sign abiding (NOT in any other circs though).

Loads of disbaled spaces at the car park here- Now. In Decemebr / novemrber, not so, in fact a queue. It ahs to take intoa ccount all seasons; queing with some SNs is a nightmare and if like Nan before she apssed you can only walk for five minutes at a strecth, taking far away alternatives not an option.

Swanandduck did you see me actually use the word 'selfish'? I think not.