to think disabled people should be able to park in P&C spaces if the disabled spaces are full?

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Someone I know today was moaning about an "old biddy" who had parked in a P&C space because there were no disabled spaces left. Now I actually have a blue badge for my DS who has no sense of danger but I only use it in car parks where we can't park near a footpath. If we can park near a footpath in a normal space then I will park there and put reins on him or hold his hand.

I just think it's a shame that people would rather an elderley person or disabled person struggle than offer them their P&C space!

yanbu, nappy, yanbu at all

although tbh we are all directing our ire in the wrong direction, as it would be better if supermarket car parks were designed to be considerate of everyone's needs in the first place, rather than only a few spaces being convenient/usable.

The disabled, no problem at all, a couple of spritely elderly people I have a massive problem especially when challenged they quip "I didn't have a car, had to push a pram and carry my shopping 15 miles, stopping to do a 25 hour shift down pit on the way"

Has anyone here parked in a disabled spot and then put on a limp walking from the car? I did years ago when the rest of the spaces were full and there were loads of free disabled bays.

prat

YABU for a) using the term 'old biddies', it's very disrespectful.
b) Elderly people are just as diverse as the young (there were 'the young' once
c) starting such an over-discussed topic

No I havent and think anyone who does is an inconsiderate prat

See every time I post a smart arse stroppy response I do a stupid obvious typo......

YANBU. We all managed before P&C spaces were introduced and I have never seen the need for them. Park further away from the store if you need more room.

If ypu've got a blue badge you can park anywhere anyway as far as I can remember. As long as the disabled spaces are full (as it can't work the other way round) the anyone who has a go deserves a slap!

Oldmumsy - I hope you never actually have a proper limp - you wouldn't be so quick to pretend to have one if you knew what it's like to have one.

I don't think YABU, if you have a Blue Badge and there are no spaces left then why can't you use a P&C space? While it can be a bit akward getting a baby seat in and out of a tight space, i imagine it's nigh on impossible to get in/out of a wheelchair. And there is always the option to do what i do and leave the dc at home! (with someone watching them i hasten to add!).
I have to say though, i do get a bit cross when i see older people who have NO Blue Badge parking in P&C spaces. Apart from anything else, they are rarely anywhere near the door, so if you are a bit unsteady on your feet, i don't see how this helps?
I realise P&C spaces are only there as a courtesy, but surely it is discourteous to use them when you have no need for the extra width?

Hahaha

If your unsteady on your feet then the extra door room can make it much easier to get in and out.

StayClassy Do you really think people who could leave their children at home would drag them round the supermarket? [rolls eyes]

In our Tesco it says P&C spaces are for people with under 5s.

The posters that say they managed before they were around, did have the complicated car seats? With the rear facing ones you can hardly ever get the seat out in an average space.

As has probably been said many times before if they put them further away from the door near some trolleys to put the children in. Then they would be left for the ones who really want the extra space and more room for disabled ones close to the door.

I think there is a legal requirement on the shop to have a certain % of spaces disabled, isn't there? Just wrt those saying a car park has too many/too few disabled spaces...

mumsie, fair enough if no badge, just wanted to challenge the assertion that someone wasn't disabled from the way they looked :)

BTW talking to mumsie there not OldMumsy - to her.

OldMumsy no becuase I am not a twat.

YANBU, but only if the person had a blue badge. Just being old does not mean you can use P&C.

We had a very fiddly rear facing car seat with ds3, who is now 7.5.

And fairly fiddly ones with the 11 and 9 year olds as well.

There would probably be no need for this thread if the huge amount of inconsiderate idiots who do not have disabled badges were somehow 'removed' from said spaces.

I've lost count of the number of 'older people', overweight people and others, who just couldn't give a monkeys.
One 'older lady' I challenged as she parked in the last available disabled space was very rude and basically told me she had 'earned' her right to park there as she was retired and had been paying taxes throughout her life.

I honestly cant see how P and C spaces arnt a good thing? I can just, JUST about get alf in his seat without dinging the car next to me IF the car next to me is perfectly between the lines. If not I really struggle. I dont WANT to ding other cars, or knacker my back when getting alf in/out. P and C spaces prevent any of this. Cars are MUCH bigger then they were a few years back, making the issue worse then it used to be. traffic is heavier - carparks are generally rammed so using a 'quiate' area to get doors fully open is often impossible.

As for how long P and C 'rights' last, I'd say umtill the point the child ccan get in the car themselves and so preventing the need to fully open doors.

The way to solve this is to put the P&C spaces further back in the car park. That would stop the disablesd and able bodied parking in them as there will be no advantage to parking in them.

I presume the larger bays are what are needed not the closeness to the store. So as long as there are adequate paths to the store there's no problem?