What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

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I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

just looked at Last Day

after the top three, the first nine were egg allergy, peanut allergy, general nut allergy, rhinitis, coeliac etc etc

what are we doing to our children

sorry, I should have said in my post that I wasn't including children with immune deficienies (sp) or those having chemo. no offence intended.

People are so gullible though -- it's almost wilful. It brings too many difficulties to admit it's true, as it shakes the foundations of everything we believe in to imagine how small and insignificant and unimportant the individual is to the organisations which are supposed to be running things safely, and which assure you they are. People cannot conceive of it, literally, can't imagine that it is all about money, and that's the beginning and end of it.

See this is why I usually back off from conversations concerning vaccinations/immunisations because it always ends up with nastiness & mud-slinging.

I think people who vaccinate should be happy & content with their choice, and people who don't should be the same.

We all make our choices. The only time I have to defend mine is when I get grief from the opposite. I really shouldn't have to do that.

I think you'll find this thread started with a bunch of mud-slinging -- against non-vaccination Was happy to tell them to nob off. Most enjoyable.

Reading through - a few points:

I absolutely do not believe in the existence of a child who hasn't had so much as a cold in their life. I breast fed my children btw. Breastfeeding and vaccination are complementary not antagonistic.

Vitamin K - yes breastmilk contains this. We know it doesn't always contain enough to overcome issues though because some babies die or are disabled by a preventable illness.

'Kept away from antibiotics' Leonie - antibiotics save lives. Please assure me you would not attempt to withold them from your child should they be deemed necessary?

Ruebella - 'natural' exposure requires it to be present in the community. So whilst your children with their super immune systems are catching it so will unfortunate pregnant women whose lives and that of their children will be wrecked. But hey - you child will be ok. Of course if they manage to get to 16-17 without catching it what will you do then? They could get it during pregnancy and it will be your grandchild suffering. Personally I wouldn't want to live with that.

A lot has been said about 'oh we've survived so far' - yes the human race has survived but the world without vaccinations and antibiotics and other interventions was a world where many children didn't make it to their first birthday never mind their fifth. Where people died young, died suddenly, died in pain and suffering that now we can prevent and if you deign to look beyond the developed west you would see that people are still dying like that. It is unspeakably arrogant and stupid to insist your child doesn't need the vaccine or that childhood diseases are not dangerous.

Piggy - if your niece was diagnosed with menigitis then surely it was a result of tests which showed the presence of a bacterial infection? If that was present then she had meningitis not a vaccine induced state.

"How, how can ANYONE deny this is happening to children?"

Because there isn't a shred of evidence to support it.

Oh and Leonie - any chance of you answering the tetanus nail question?

northernlurker - the antibiotics issue is another one that is not clear cut.

deemed necessary by whom?

a doctor all too happy ot prescribe fo revery little thing?

I have refused antibiotics for dd1, more than once. all for things which did not need antibiotics.

before you ask the next question, I would like to say my position is the same as for the rusty nail (which is not a hugely likely ttanus situation anyway) - if there is ever a point where dd1 having antibiotics woudl be ess harmful to her than her not having htem, then of course she would have them.

but it is alway a sliding scale, and you need ot trust that you are being offered them when they are absolutely necessary, imo.

LootoWindward - are oyu denying that vaccine damage occurs, at all, ever?

Just thinking it over - dd1 had antibiotics for tonsillitis and dd3 had them twice for intractable ear infections. Dd2 has never had any. Dd1 is 12 btw - so in all that time I have never seen a doctor prescribing treatment that wasn't required and of course all courses were fully completed. I would be surprised - and dismayed - to come across a doctor practicing now who was giving antibiotic treatment 'for every little thing'. I only go to the doctors when things are really, really bad anyway

yep, me too wrt only going to docs when things are bad.

dd2 has seen a doctor once since she was signed off as a baby. she is 4 next month. I cracked when she had chicken pox - she had them on her eyeballs, and i wanted that checked out.

but over-use of anti-bs can and does happen.

they are not particularly effective for ear infections, btw - they are the ones I refused for dd1.

my step daughter, on the other hand, (now an adult) is on a course of anti-bs every other month (i kid ou not) most of them no tnecessary. I cannot believe how many she os offered, and thinks it is a good idea to take.

agree tht things have calmed down quite a lot since the mid nineties when they really were handed out willy-nilly, but it is certainly still possible to find doctors who woudl rather print out the script than wait and see how things develop.

Well windward that iS bolleaux

I am aware that many ear infections don't require antiobiotics and we discussed that fully with our doctor. Dd3 had signs of bacterial infection and her previously stubborn high temp dropped after using them.

sorry, northern. I didn't mean to imply oyu had given them wihtout cause.

it was more in the spirit of full info for the thread - I just wanted it out there that "ear infection" does not mean standard anti-b treatment.

I have been in the positon of being offered anti-bs for ear infections for dd1 about half a dozen times, in the space of a year. none of the ear infections needed anti-bs. I just wanted it down as a history of ear trouble, iyswim, which is why i was at the docotrs in the first place.

this was more than one doctor, at 3 separate practices (we move a lot!)

dd1 is only 6, and tbh with the gut trouble she has too, any doctor should be lookng at them as a last course of action, rather than a first line of defense.

but they weren't

I'm sorry too - didn't mean to sound so frosty!

Well northernlurker my 27 month old child so far to date has never had a cold so they do exist.

Leonie and Appletrees - Videos and photos are not proof of the harm of vaccines.

For example, I have a friend who became disabled after being vaccinated. But the disability was caused by a car crash.

I know people who have died after being vaccinated. But they died in their 90's.

Each of these examples actually occured many years after the vaccinations.

Do you see, its essential to separate cause and effect.

I withheld antibióticos very successfully. Never had another ear infection.

Looktowinward the vaccine compensation scheme run by the government would disagree with you seeing as after a heck of a long drawn out fight she was awarded compensation.

Lifeinlimbo do you think we are stupid? Stupid post.

I actually can't believe you wrote that and bothered to press post.