What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

When I worked in a & e I saw an increasing number of kids coming in with measles and mumps. I wouldn't want to risk my children getting any of the complications associated with either disease.

Dr Wakefield was struck off the medical register for a reason-he has a lot to blame for parents not knowing what is best for thier children. All parents want to do is protect their kids the best they can and in my opinion he damaged the reputation of one of the best ways of doing that. Mud sticks.

I can't read through 21 pages of a thread, so no doubt I'm repeating... But IMO, I vaccinated both DCs, because we believed it was the best thing to do for our family and also because we wanted to contribute to the idea of "herd immunisation" I don't like the idea of non-vaccinators relying on vaccinators to keep the (non-vaccined) child safe. It's selfish, unfair IMO. If we all did that we'd be back to measles and polio being regular occurances.

Wakefield's penalties were for very complicated reasons indeed, not pure- MMR - scare as the rpess like to make out.

That much is definite from the transcripts of the case.

As stated below I don;t feel I have access to reliable info either way on Wakefield so refuse to make a judgement; however I do not think encouraging aprents to think for themselves about the implications of their choices is a bad thing tbh. Give or don;t give, but make the decision on information and philosophy not becuase you are told to by somene who claims they know better.

Avon some children cannot be vaccinated for very basic medical reasons, such as having chemo or immune deficiency.

Criticise those who choose non vaaccination if you wish: but generalisation is unfair.

LeonieDelt

Sorry to say that breastfeeding/organic diets & anything else you suggest will not stop your children getting ill forever.

I am sorry, but I think you have a very narrow view of life if you think breastmilk is some kind of super powerful cure all. It isn't! It's a great start in life, but it isn't magic!

Leonie is right.. we are conditioned to think the default humano state without moderna medicina is illness and death. Bullshit.

Leonie i heart you. That is EXACTLY what i think.

I live in Japan where increasingly the polio vaccine is beginning to give children polio.
Over the past few years the cases of polio infection from the vaccine has been increasing. MOthers have had enough and have organised an anti-polio vaccine movement.
Now this is a country where DOctors are Gods so the mothers are pissed off at being taught to obey these demi-gods without question, only to find their child infected with one of the most horrifying diseases that exists.

To be fair, Japan still uses the oral vaccine, which is more risky

I think with vaccines you have to weigh up the risks. THe mercurary contained in the injected vaccines is also under suspicion for causing brain problems.

I would never let my children have what I would term "unecessary vaccines" such as chicken pox, or flu. I was persuaded to let my kids have BCG at 6 months because I live in a very humid climate. BUt I believe vaccinating is important for tetinus, polio and the other deadlier ones. Mine also had the Japanese encephilitus vaccine, and we were told that there were risks to the vaccine, but it was up to us whether we chose to have it because the disease itself awful. Seeing as the disease is called Japanese encephilitus and I live in bloody Japan, I went ahead with that one.

YOu have to weigh up the risks yourself, educate yourself

Leonie Brilliant post.

Was going to stay away from this thread....

My brother and his wife nearly lost their daughter after her 12 week routine jabs 2 years ago. She reacted significantly to the first round but they were told in paediatric A+E that high temp, rash and convulsions were normal. They duly went along with the second round. She had a high temp when she fell asleep that night and when they woke in the morning, she was blue, struggling to breathe and almost died. She was diagnosed with meningitis.

The medical profession refused to acknowledge that the vaccine may have been the cause.

And there in lies the rub.

If your child has a reaction, severe or not, the medical establishment will most likely blame other factors. Vaccines are the sacred cow of medicine and woe betide anyone who dares question them or their efficacy.

My ds has not and will not be having any jabs. There is no medical reason behind this, however, we thought he may be at higher risk of adverse reaction due to what happened to his cousin.

I don't believe people should be vilified for not vaccinating. I do believe that parents should take responsibility and research vaccines before allowing their children to have them. I agree with an earlier poster who said that parents of vaccinated children tend to be more complacent about their childrens health, thinking that because they are vaccinated they couldn't possibly have any of those diseases.

I also think that in years to come, we will look at this period in time and realise that, actually, all we have done is trade acute illnesses for chronic ones and vaccines have played a major role in this.

Leonie and Appletrees, great posts.

PIGGY, SORRY FOr your story. This is the reason why, when people say it's just a tiny minority at risk, we can't believe them. Because the numbers aren't recorded and counted.

Myth busting:

Tiny minority at risk: not known

Wakefield says MMR causes autism: not true

Possible link between MMR and autism disproven: not true

Possible link between other vaccines and autism disproven: not true

Possible link between vaccines and auto-immune disorders disproven: not true

No evidence for any of the above links: not true

Risk benefit analysis between vaccinating and not: impossible

Childhood diseases more dangerous than vaccines: not known

MMR research adequate: not true

Vaccination responsible for most significant falls in disease incidence: not true

Pharmaceutical companies value the health of you and your child more than their profit margins: permisson to chuckle granted

the non-recording of reactions is really worrying.

a friend of mine had a flu jab last month. he collapsed, pretty much on the spot - blue lighted to hospital.

was it recorded?

was it hell.

when i asked whether it had been, he had no idea it was possible, or a separate thing form being treated at hospital. he naively assumed that since he had been admitted and treated, the data would be passed on.

having spoken to me, he made enquiries, and, surprise surprise, it wasn't reported.

now the docotrs are saying there is not enough evidence to report it as a vaccine reaction .

yes, because otherwise fit and healthy men in their 30s collapse everyday within minutes of having a jab, and it is perfectly normal. no adverse reaction at all - just a complete coincidence.

He should fill in a yellow card silver. Though I do think that system's a sop to make people feel better.

link to yellow card here everyone can report any reaction to meds here.

and yes these adverse events are collected and reported to the authorities who use it to make medicines safer.

oh, I supplied him with the yellow card link, appletrees, don't you worry

but it is the ridiculous backpedalliing on th epart of the docs who treated him, and the fact that the onus was on him to remember ot ask if it had been reported, rather than it being reported automatically, that really gets my goat.

because the first thing you do when you come round form an incident like that is ask whether proper procedure has been followed, and the yellow card filled in (especially if you are lucky enough to not know that such a system even exists in the first place...)

mouse.. I am of little faith. I don't believe it makes much difference at all. But it should be done.

just take the "super aspirins" for example this one.

You know, we are so damn right it's almost a shame. Sorry about the insults and implications and assumptions some of you had to put up with. I'm fed up with the accusations and abuse, and happy to turn on such wankers with enthusiasm these days.