What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

Abr1de - some of us still do have personal experiences of these illnesses. My mum remembers us having measles, wc, mumps - all her siblings having the same, all her classmates and friends having them and she can't tell you one 'horror' story about them. I'm not saying that these diseases can't be dangerous - of course they can - just as every illness has the potential to be dangerous. A child could be hospitalised for dehydration after having a nasty cold! Now that there are vaccines for them we only hear the horror stories about these 'killer diseases' forgetting that most of our parents, grandparents etc all went through these diseases as a normal part of childhood. You can already see this happening with chickenpox. The very few serious cases are being talked about over and over and people are forgetting that for most it is an uncomfortable disease for a week and that's it! Watch it become a 'killer' - iits already starting on mumsnet. Just give it a few years and CP will be the new measles.

leonie - I know exactly what is in breastmilk - fully educated on the pros - but I chose to FF for reasons that are nobody's business just as it is no business of mine how you feed your child. But you are just proving my point - the BF brigade cannot but help think that every event in their child's life is down to the milk they get.

BTW if you went back to live in Spain you would be fluent in a week or so - analogy is very poor.

Find me a non-horror story about having polio, bubbleymummy.

Adult CP is dangerous to the extreme, it's never been considered killer (and likely won't) for young children. CP is a perfect example of immunisation theory, it's just naturally occuring rather than requiring a vaccine. If you have CP as a child, you're protected from most forms of the more dangerous adult variation for life. Isn't the human body wonderful?

LeonieDelt Yes you crazy nut that's exactly what I'm saying, an immunised group is protected, and your children are the chinks in the armour.

Also I raise you
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LeonieDelt
You vaccinated your children via natural methods, it's the same damn thing, only the injected vaccinations are less dangerous. I let my child catch chicken pox myself a few years back, it's the correct thing to do.

adsense - that 98.4% - what it is supposed ot be a measure of?

98.4 percent decrease in infection disease. That is all that the laymen needs to know.

Just because you are vaccinated against one form doesnt mean others can't spring up, if virus' didnt adapt there would be none left.

I'd rather protect my child from the vast majority of illness and risk exposure to a small ammount that leave them open to risk from all.

You disagree entirley because you're an ilinformed quack.

I don't believe that not vaccinating against say mumps is the same as not vaccinating against polio. Only a mad person would risk their child getting polio and if unvaccinated, they should never travel to countries which still have polio in them. Read 'The rise and fall of modern medicine' by James Le Fanu to remind yourself just how horrific life was when we had no polio vaccine, and how coming out of polio only disabled was considered a miracle considering the alternative of your lungs becoming paralysed and you suffocating to death. And, no, our brilliant, amazing bodies didn't learn how to fight it off.

'Imnvho it's not about the parents' rights to decide for their child but about herd immunity

I don't believe that for one second!

Rights (ire to insist on vaccination) come with responsibilities (proper inclusice research into those jabs, with support for those who do become damaged- a family I know took ten years to get a penny in NHS help for their child who was severely vaccination damaged, and lost their home, jobs, marriage in the process- child lost far more, developed what was in effect quad CP).

If there's such a great society instinct out there how come my disabled kids get flack for getting provisiona dn there's so much screaming on here about Sn support?

DS4 is listed as not having had MMR: he has been vaccinated against emasles, will be rubella (simply when we hqave he money saved) and would be against mumps IF the vaccination was still available.

He has two siblings with ASD; I do not believe that MMR cuased ASD in either of them but ASD is an epigenetic disorder with a multitude of unknown triggers by latest research- when I say altest, my essay for my MA Esay on Aetiology of ASD was handed in a week ago, with research dating from as recent as 2011.

Maybe if I hadn't spent the last decade trying and largely failing to get support i'd be less risk averse. And it's not just MMR- he's still BF at 2.9 dspite me not actually enjoying it tat much, lots of other things too. And I state again: if the mumps jab was available we'd take him for it. NOT happily but we would.

After ds3 had his MMR he lost speech, bowel control, and becamse autistic. I don;t beleive MMR caused that; at mmost it triggered an existent genetic disposition that probably would have been triggreed by something else- quite possibly including teh viruses themselves. But I simply do not have the mental strength to risk it again. Am pretty sure ds4 has the genetics- he ahs traits etc- but he is developing OK and, well- no.

Like I sayn though, rubella when we can afford it (I know rubellaell- mum lost a baby to it after losing 4 to stillbirth, she agrees with us though) and mumps if they still amde it.

And i get really pissed off when people suddently acquire the boy's medical histories- the aprents at school who were told 'a child in the class has not received the MMR booster' but not told that the child in question was the one that had a TA as he regressed after his MMR.

It must be aprental decision, and that would be a lot more inclusive ahd the manufacture of some options not been ceased with others made very expensive.

Are you mad?
Risk to child with CP = absolutely minimal
Risk to child with Rubella = minimal/medium
Risk to child with Rubella Vaccine = absolutely minimal.

It doesn't take a genius to work out where lines are drawn. You are a bad mother for risking your children, end of story.

My children are jabbed up to the nines, I would not even consider not getting them vaccinated. I do not think vaccines cause terrible things, maybe trigger something that was going to happen anyway but not cause

LeonieDelt - Absolutely nothing, though I'm sure if you gave it to her before all these problems started the MMR would be blamed for it.

DS4 is vaccinated against polio, but

''Find me a non-horror story about having polio, bubbleymummy.'

Um, ex's gran who had a limp and no oher long term difficulty?

As I say ds4 is vaccinated but absolutism helps nobody.