What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

differentname - I am certainly not holding myself up as a better parent because of my vaccination choices. I have done what is (imo, and in their doctors opinion) right for my children (albeit too late for dd1)

what I said is true, for my situation. I know of several parents who sent brought their children to a gym class, where there was a young child with immune issues (not my dd - a little boy who had had a transplant), when they were ill.

now, this was selfish, whatever the illness, because of that boy (they didn't let anyone know - the mother had no chanvce to choose whehter to take her boy that week)

the children were all exhibiting signs of a disease that could be immuised against (I do not want to say more, as it would clearly identify me), but when I (very mildy, and as a suggestion - this was not t flame, or stir up, I was with my baby dd1 at the time, who had had her jabs too, so it was in an interested third party way) pointed out these sigs, I was told very firmly it could not be that, as they had all been jabbed.

it was that illness, and even when it was poited out to them what that illness was (yes, by a lay person, so I guess they had no reason to believe me) they carried on taking hteir children out and about.

the level of complacency once a child has been jabbed is overwhelming. irresponsible parents are irresponsible parents, whether they vaccinate their children or not, but I think for you to claim that the majority of parents who vaccinate are then as vigilant as you is a little overexaggerated. every time there is a vax thread, someone comes on who doesn't know the take up rate of a vaccine, or doesn't know the projected time that a vaccine might cover you for - htis is stuff that really just isn't widely though about (ime, form parents I know) when they take their children to be vaccinated. the assumptin is always that 1) the vaccine works, and 2) they are covered for "long enough".

good for you that oyu do the same as me. does that, therefore make oyu a better parent, since oyu have vaccinated and also check for diseases? (I don't for a minute think so, and odn't mean offence by that, just saying that I don't judge parenting on things like that, although you clearly do)

so there you go, your anecdote vs mine. which carries more weight?

Silverfrog, as I said before in one of my many [shame] posts, I don't think either you, or myself is the 'better parent'.

We did what we did for our children, which to my mind is the only reason to do it. I did get the general idea that you were saying that parents who vaccinate are complacent. I am sorry for getting that from your posts, but it is how it read. And I don't think that that is generally the case.

I think there are good & bad on each side, and again, as I posted before , I know a parent who doesn't vaccinate & was very irresponsible & exposed a lot of people to WC. I don't have a problem with her choices, just her inaction when they were ill.

I wonder if she would be a complacent parent if they were vaccinated?

I am very much each to their own, but I think, regardless of vaccines or not every parent should keep their child quarantined to an extent when ill, because you never know who is immune compromised etc.

address Rotavirus, the best solution for that is breastmilk, and rest

Well she wasn't being breastfed at that stage & she was/is a very active toddler, so rest was out of the question. She wouldn't stop unless she slept & that was rare.

However, she still managed to get dehydrated & ended up in hospital!

Leoniedelt my DS has never been ill with a virus, cold, ear infection or needed antibiotics he is 27 months old. He has been exposed to numerous colds, viruses and still hasn't contracted anything, I was not vaccinated due to my family history and my mum said I was hardly ever ill, I did however contract chickenpox, rubella and measles as a child with no ill effects. It really pees me off that some people assume its unvaccinated children who are walking incubators shedding virus in their wake and don't consider vaccinated children to be able to catch/pass on anything.

Re vit K in breastmilk...that's why I said 'apparently'.

I don't neccessarily believe it

Well it didn't work with me! I'm a breastfeeder..always have been.

If you refuse vaccination and your child dies of a preventable illness, you are guilty of murder. Thats all that needs to be said on the matter.

I'm expecting my 5th Leonie

My boobs are ready, I can tell you..lol. Mine all stopped at around 9 months (their choice, not mine) I take their lead.

I feel I have been a milking machine for 21 years on & off. Marvellous.

LeonieDelt the child who contracted the rota virus, whilest still not being breastfed, was not vaccinated either!

And she is one of the most poorly babies I know. A case of rota virus, nova virus, whopping cough, severe dehydration twice, hospitalised both times, all this (& she is just 18mths old) constantly has a cold/fever.

So it is purely anecdotal that you say breastfed, vaccinated babies are never ill, because it is simply not true.

This is what I object to, because YOUR child is never ill, that is simply because you never vaccinated him/her? No, sorry I don't think it is actually!

'I think the 'real' problem is that we have no actual experience any more of what it actually means to have polio, whooping cough, measles, TB etc. '

I do. I see my father, now 80, barely able to walk as a result of the polio that he got when he was 17, just about to go to university, etc. It's a horrid, horrid disease and he has never properly got over it, physically or in the sense of having a real goal career-wise. He did well in life, but not as well as he ought to have done. His potential was capped.

amazing how the bf brigade can turn any debate into a scrum about breastmilk. Mine were ff and are just as healthy, shrug of colds, illnesses etc as the ones you describe, it is down to an awful lot more than the source of the milk they had as a baby.

BTW I never assume that just because they have been vaccinated that they cannot get a disease they have been vaccinated against - of course they can just it is likely to be attenuated in its effects on them. I would still need to isolate them, the one time they have had anything (chickenpox) I telephone consulted the Dr to double check my diagnosis as I did not want to bring them into contact with the potentially immunosuppressed people waiting at the surgery - would do this whenever possible.

I have no problem with people not vaccinating children who cannot be vaccinated - it is the worried well who have no reason to refuse that really get me.

Murder. Your child would still be alive if not for your actions... I'd settle for them being tried for manslaughter though...

No, jackasses like me are just constantly faceplaming over jackasses like you belittling the work of great scientists. Vaccination theory is a theory in the same sense as Gravity is a theory. Countries that employ it have low instance of disease while those that don't have high. Your super children with magic antivirus powers may have strong immune systems but that wouldnt stop them infecting people with things that they are host to.

I'd also consider 98.4 percent a good measure of guarantee.