What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

"No but the fact that you think its even relevant shows how little you understand about what vaccination is and what it is for."

I think you may be a bit confused here - that question was in response to one of your previous posts where you criticised people who talked about vaccines wearing off. Clearly they do not offer immunity for life so I'm not sure why you were criticising people who pointed that out.

Leonie, you've been so cogent in the face of all this ignorant ill thought out crapola. Have a glass of wine. :) people are getting furiosa because you and silverfrog make so much sense. They justamente can't understand why you won't be patted on the head.

Impresos by your depth of knowledge as usual.

Can't believe someone called silver a liar about her child. Ugh.

Leonie - with the benefit of hindsight we can say your children didn't need Vitamin K as they haven't died or been seriously damaged by HDN. There was no way for you to be sure of that at the time of their birth - I think you are reckless as well as misinformed.

Ho another one.. imbecilic.

The WHO website says nothing about the effectiveness of vaccination - its simply raw figures.

Your "claim" is simply an interpretation based on your lack of understanding of the science behind it.

appletrees - ok show me where I have said that I dont mind people saying fuck you, mental, bullshit - etc etc? No you cant because I havent - I dont agree with being abusive to get your point across - whatever the point may be.

And what is it about the OP - who doesnt believe in vaccination - that makes them a "nob"?

Looktowindward - what is wrong with looking at raw figures? What would your interpretation of those figures be?

Regarding evidence for vaccines not providing lasting immunity - why do you think people need boosters? Why do we get checked for immunity to diseases that we were vaccinated against when we are pregnant? Why are there outbreaks of pertussis and mumps in the adult population? Would you like to answer any of those questions are you going to continue to throw insults around and be patronising?

"Regarding vaccinations wearing off- are you under the impression that vaccines give immunity for life? "

You think this is irrelevant? Seriously?

firsttimemummy - exactly that kind of attitude ("we don't want to give babies painful injections now do we?") is the reason why dd1 is now vaccine damaged.

that is what the nurse assumed we meant when we said we didn't want dd1 to have soe of the jabs they were lining up fo rher (at 3 days old)

so she went ahead and did it anyway.

and now dd1 faces alife of illness and pain.

perhaps you could just open your mind a little, and accept that sometimes parents have good reason for not giving their children jabs.

and the pain of the jab is the leas tof my worries, tbh.

Show me where you called them rude and unpleasant?

If you don't know what's wrong with the op... oh so what. Vaccinate your kids. Poor things.

There is no link with cancer. Afaik it was suggested by two studies and disproved by many more.

good grief saggar - it was in response to looktowindwards criticism of those who point out that vaccines wear off - as if it was nonsense.

Actually i do think it is relevant when people hurl abuse at people who do not vaccinate their children yet have no idea of their own immunity to those diseases. They are just as likely to pass on those diseases to unvaccinated children.

bubbley - my comment was aimed at LTW. I'm surprised she thinks immunity wearing off is irrelevant.

Appletrees
Show me where you called them rude and unpleasant? - what on earth are you talking about? The only person I have queried is you for calling people nobs?

My kids are fine thanks, all 3 have been vaccinated.

I vaccinated my dc's. my Mum is old enough to remember that she was really ill with measels and very nearly died. I did not want to risk that for my dc's. One of the children at my school wore callipers becuse they had had polio as a child. didn't fancy that either.

Sorry saggar! :)

"I think you may be a bit confused here - that question was in response to one of your previous posts where you criticised people who talked about vaccines wearing off. Clearly they do not offer immunity for life so I'm not sure why you were criticising people who pointed that out."

Because the fact that some vaccinations may wear off is (by and large) irrelevant to the aims of a vaccination program.

The fact that you even brought it up in response to someone talking about an immunodeficient child shows that you don't understand the subject matter at hand.

Instead its presented as "look, vaccinations wear off, why bother?" without the first understanding about why the vaccination was given in the first place.

Vaccination is a numbers game. Yes the vast majority of vaccinations do offer protection to the individual, but more than that it /reduces/ (and can even eliminate - qv smallpox) the /risk/ to the rest of society by trying to eliminate the transmission vectors of infectious disease to the rest of the population. So yes, some vaccinations may wear off, some might not even work, a tiny minority may cause ad adverse reaction but that doesn't matter. The vaccination may protect your fit and healthy child from getting a case of measles that probably wouldn't bother him too much anyway but it will stop the risk of your child passing on measles to an immunodeficient individual with whom it stands a thirty percent chance of killing.

That the vaccine may not work or wear off on some does not stop the vaccination programme reducing the risk of the infectious disease to others.

Infectious diseases have well understood and documented dispersal amongst populations. The aim of vaccination is to control and hopefully eliminate the aforementioned disease transmission vectors. The impact on individuals is a plus but that isn't the big picture.

Anyway I'm off to bed. I do enough talking to idiots at work never mind wasting my spare time with it too.

Bubbleymummy. I'm not sure Saudi Arabia is a good example to use when looking at raw population stats because of the atypical demographics. The majority of residents are temporary guest workers, not Saudis. There's a huge population churn, particularly from non-first world countries. The country also hosts the Hajj - millions upon millions from all over the globe in close proximity to each other each year, again mainly from countries with a lower standard of healthcare and vaccination programmes to Saudi. Did the outbreak hit the vaccinated Saudis or the temporary Indonesian maids iyswim?

I think you'd need to look at outbreaks in countries with a far more stable population to judge.