What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

Appletrees, you are being very rude and unpleasant, and making assumptions about people who you know nothing about. What are your qualifications for your point of view?

FYI I have several degrees and work in this area, so do not accuse me of ignorance thank you!

There's also the fat that many parents arecrapping their pants over their children not getting the swine flu vaccination.

Could it be that vaccination is effective and preferable to dying?

Are measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, whooping cough, tetanus, polio, etc any less dangerous than swine flu?

Appletrees - no Im not taking any high ground - just pointing out a simple fact - your comment "Ha ha -- nice to see the nobs have disappeared when faced with good hard evidence and cogent argument." - seemed rather nasty to me - calling someone a "nob" because they disagreed with you i.e to vaccinate their child.

I dont see anything offensive at all about the OP at all, it was just their opinion - which obviously isnt yours - why does this make them a "nob"?

"jog on, your rant means nothing to me."

You have nothing to support your view. You have no evidence and no support.

My view is backed by modern medicine, decades of research, millions of peer reviewed articles and millions of health professionals. All you can present is a couple of badly presented websites, some anecdotes and some cherry picked figures that wouldn't pass even the most cursory scrutiny.

That is because you are wrong.

You are no different to someone who believes the earth is flat. There is very little point in engaging you at all because even if you could understand it you'd just refuse to anyway.

Rude and unpleasant? But you don't mind mental, bullshit, fuck you, etc.

And there IS rubbish in your posts.

There is masses of evidence. Honestly. Not a bloody clue. I need to get to a pute to write longer posts.

Im fed up of this - fine, dont vaccinate yourself or your children against anything. Please expose yourself to any fatal disease you like, asap ('survival of the fittest' etc).

I just feel sorry for your children.

Lol at newgold

"I just feel sorry for your children."

It's not their children whose lives they are risking though.

No vitamin K? Why not?

LeonieDelt my post wasn't directed at you or ANYONE else.

It was just a general point that when there's a new health scare, most parents seem to want their child vaccinated was the only thing I meant.

So I dont get your attitude towards me. What's the "Duh" for?

I feel sorry for yours, tbh.

Looktowindward, I'm interested to hear your explanation for the outbreak in Saudi Arabia. I just find it very interesting that despite a country having above the recommended 95% of the population that there was such a large outbreak. It also interests me that there was clearly a high percentage of vaccine failure if so many vaccinated alsogot sick.

Regarding vaccinations wearing off- are you under the impression that vaccines give immunity for life? It isn't very difficult to find evidence that they don't and you don't need to visit any 'woo' websites to see that.

"There is masses of evidence. Honestly. "

And cue the masses of links to these badly presented websites with their cherry picked or flat out fabricated data, with their conspiracy theories and pretty graphs. All with no references.

As I've said above you have nothing.

If any of these links I expect to see had any kind of value or could stand up to any kind of scrutiny from someone who knows what they are talking about then they'd have them peer reviewed and get their names in lights for one of the greatest medical upsets in two hundred years.

But they won't because they will all - without exception - be inaccurate irresponsible scaremongering bullshit.

"Regarding vaccinations wearing off- are you under the impression that vaccines give immunity for life? "

No but the fact that you think its even relevant shows how little you understand about what vaccination is and what it is for.

If you're honestly interested pop along to your local university's medical department and have a chat with one of the researchers about vaccines and how they work and their role in society.

And where is this 'evidence' please?

Looktowindward - the Saudi Arabia figures come from the WHO website. I'm not sure they fall into the category of "badly presented websites with their cherry picked or flat out fabricated data, with their conspiracy theories and pretty graphs. " In case you missed my previous link - here it is again

""I just feel sorry for your children."

It's not their children whose lives they are risking though."

It is their own children too, as well as other unvaccinated children. I have a good friend whose imbecilic hippy sister refused all vaccinations for her first child, and said child died from measles encephalitis at the age of five.

Her subsequent children had a full set of immunisations.