to think men seem to have taken to MN in their droves recently......and I don't like it

[LadyBlaBlah]

Every thread I go on, there are men putting forward their opinion

I have enough of men in RL. AIBU thinking they should bog off to DN or go play the X Box or something?

Mine too.

It only becomes unfunny, when there's a denial that it's happening and a huge anger that it has been pointed out.

ah, the old friend of "you are having a humour by pass" argument - as feminists you will have been on the receiving end of that cute one. Odd then you use it yourselves. hey-ho.

I think you have misunderstood my post Pan.

Unsurprisingly.

I was referring to ZD's HB. This doesn't revolve around you entirely. That will be surprising to you, I appreciate that.

it isn't an empathy issue at all, Lenin.

but we aren't changing any views here are we? I'll happily retire from this.

Sheesh. Hundreds of years of being called nags, shrews, harpies, harridans etc etc etc, and women come up with one little tiny little "mansplain" and suddenly it's the menz that are the oppressed. Who knew that would happen?

I think I can be forgiven for assuming another disproportionately hostile response from you Pan, given the tone of your responses to my posts on this this thread.

Doubtless you disagree.

I did!

Me too, Lenin. I'm really amazed that it seems to be causing so much offence.

Ah, HB, you are a much wiser woman than I am. I thought it was just, you know, a funny observation about this thing that happens sometimes.

Sounds interesting Lenin.

Will look forward to a thread on the subject!

I just don't understand how a member of one group has the gall to tell member of a disenfranchised group (women, person of colour) that their reality does not exist

THat is the definition of privilege

We all know the white man's reality, because it is the status quo

the other day some BBC spokesman said they needed young women on TV (as opposed to middle aged women) because "everyone's" attracted to them. Not everyone: not gay men, not hetero women, and why do we get old wrinkly geezers on TV who nobody is attracted to???

BUt the dominant class's world view becomes the status quo, they don't "see" mansplaining. From their position of privilege they don't have to see it. It is irrelevant or insignificant to them

But to tell a subordinate group - and women are disenfranchised in all spheres: politically, economically, socially, which makes them an oppressed, subordinate group- that what they have experienced does not, in fact, exist, shows how out of tune some men are with the effects of patriarchy on society. They say power corrupts the oppressor more than the oppressed... which is why some men have to keep telling themselves there's no problem, that there is no need for feminism... a refusal to see

The answer to the wrinkly old geezer question is that white men employ people like them and throw in a few token young women as eye candy

It is interesting that Pan's posts are picked out as hostile? I suppose other peoples are assertive?

I don't think MN is ready for more than 10 male posters yet. I also don't think Britain is ready for equality yet, men or women, but that maybe another thread.

op, yabu. i'm sure it would be to the benefit of mumsnet to have more male posters on here, men are parents too and would have valid contributions to make.

leningrad. you seem to be in a perpetual state of angst, stop sucking on that lemon

I think the majority here seems happy with the tiny percentage of men.

We're treated a bit like children, actually - we are largely tolerated, until we try to have an actual opinion people don't like, and then we are told to bugger off and get back to our homework, or playing on the X-Box.

I'd speculate that, if there were to be a sudden inrush of men, a lot of MN denizens would take objection and there might be flouncing. Obviously I could be wrong.