to think men seem to have taken to MN in their droves recently......and I don't like it

[LadyBlaBlah]

Every thread I go on, there are men putting forward their opinion

I have enough of men in RL. AIBU thinking they should bog off to DN or go play the X Box or something?

LG - presumably when others recognise negative things about feminists and their particular style of argument, and those things receive a nod of recognition from others, it doesn't result in lazy stereotyping but is in fact just "saying it as it is"?

In fact, if several people agree it becomes both validating and empowering for those offering the criticism!

Would it help to say that certain feminists on here sometimes argue in a way that is patronising to others, and shows a degree of absolute self belief and unwillingness to accept alternative viewpoints that could perhaps be defined as "mansplaining"? Actually I don't think it is helpful, best to just take each as an individual rather than fall into stereotyping or name calling.

It's all relative to the appropriate situation.
" I mean, as a middle class female reaping the benefits of good sanitation, electricity, gas, a roof over my head, a nourishing diet etc.. I'm evidently considerably worse off than an impoverished male living in a shanty town in South Africa"

That's not true relativity. You are not comparing like with like. Try comparing the impoverished male in a shanty town with and impoverished female in a shanty town and a similar inequality in status will exist.

I want to say it's a bit yin and yang but am bothered that it won't be obvious to explain - yin is darker, softer, more female than yang, which is brighter, harder and more male - but some yin can be brighter and harder than some yang, depending on what is being compared. You have to compare like with like to get a true idea of what is yin and what is yang.

I think feelings are running pretty high between Pan and HB - both have been fairly aggressive to each other, IMO. Clash of opinions.

I understand your basic point, TSH but still don't believe that you can compare in that way - you have to compare like with like.

I thought Pan had been civil and humorous.

Obviously my privilege showing

I didn't notice any hostility coming from Pan. He was assertive yes and considered and sometimes a little scathing but not in a serious manner in my view.

I am usually quite aware of hostility on here and truly didn't notice any.

OK - I retract my thoughts that Pan and HB were both being a bit aggressive and will replace aggressive with "snippy" - that seems fair (to me). I think hostile is too strong, certainly but I'm not sure aggressive isn't at the same level.