to be a bit horrified that Boots are recommending CIO?

[JenniferCanesten]

As I am signed up to the Boots Parenting Club for the vouchers, periodically I get sent a magazine relevant to DS's age.

The other day I got the 5-9 months one in the post and flicking through it was a bit shocked to see this (on pg 12):

"from 6 months, you can leave your baby to cry for short periods. Try five minutes at first, then gradually extend the time so she'll learn to settle herself."

I find it very cross-making that they are presenting this as though this is an irrefutable part of parenting whereas obviously CIO/controlled crying is a pretty controversial method that many parents, myself included find cruel and unnecessary and possibly damaging.

They are GIVING ADVICE to people, which is a position of responsibility! I don't bother getting annoyed by many things but this has really pissed me off!

Erk, posted and went on Amazon. Came back and it's all this again!

I AM NOT STARTING ANOTHER BORING "LETS ARGUE ABOUT CIO/NOT CIO" THREAD! I was more annoyed that Boots have written it as though this is a necessary milestone - it's not, it's a choice, as others have said. I personally find that unbalanced and irresponsible information giving.

That's all. I second the meh from earlier.

lol

Jennifer you must have known you were lighting a touchpaper

The thing is, why I am even on this thread, my dd is 15. I can't even remember what a crying baby sounds like anyway.

You can borrow, mine, Getorf... what's your address, I'll pop him in the post...

For the record, the article is titled: "Is my baby ready to... your baby is clocking up a milestone a minute right now. Here's what to expect next"

Sleep through the Night, Sit In a Stroller, Go Swimming, Drink From a Beaker etc.

Just out of interest , if you are on a car journey ,say on the motorway, and your child starts crying ,would you immeidiately pull over to comfort child and prevent 'damage'? or would you do what any sane person does and sigh and wait until it is safe to stop ,ie at the next services ? the child might cry for up to 20 minutes , how this any less harmful than allowing a child to cry for 5 minutes when putting it down to sleep ?

Getorf I never bother arguing with people on Mnet so I never understand other people who do! Enough arguing in RL ffs, I come on here for a laugh mainly! But I thought I'd try out a little Incensed from Exeter or whatever.

Double meh!

So you don't want to argue discuss it, and to avoid that you started a thread on a discussion forum, and in the AIBU section?

Meh, Meh, Meh

No, arguing witj people on Mn is a mugs game.

I remember getting very upset and incensed over a 500+ post row about organic chicken once. How bloody mumsnet is that.

Never again. I just come on here and indulhe in a bit of mild pisstaking and fun now.

Thanks for the offer backwards, but that's OK.

Unless you want a teenager to swap who curls her lip when she looks at your clothing choices, that is.

Baby woken up, back soon.

no need to go Jen leave wean to cry,will do no harm

yes, you wouldn't want to be "cruel and unnecessary and possibly damaging"

nor catty

lol at 'leave wean to cry, will do no hyarm'

"But I thought I'd try out a little Incensed from Exeter or whatever".

What a WOFT you are then.

Try Chat next time you are in the mood for some sport.

That depends, Getorf does she come with a pair of GHDs? Mine are on their last legs and judging by the size of the present under the tree, DH didn't take the hint...

Yes she comes with GHDs (mine), a bottle of frizz ease (mine) and some very nice make up (also mine)

Bloody teenagwrs

and you'll seriously swap her for a screamer of a baby?

Deal!

GOD no.

Teenagers are far better. So much fun having a 15 year old, she is nearly as sarcastic as me now

Babies are lovely at a safe distance

1. What's a WOFT?

1. AIBU not to realise that AIBU was the vipers nest where all the arguing ladies hang out?

1. Getorfmiland, as I was putting baby back to sleep (not catty, Unwind, I actually was!) I found myself wondering whether you were bothered about the chickens or not in the big chicken debate of 2005?

putting baby back to sleep is not catty

calling a standard parenting technique, reccomended by paediatricians, health visitors, sleep experts etc "cruel and unnecessary and possibly damaging"

is catty at best

people resort to sleep training because they feel there is no choice

you are very lucky that you have not been in their shoes. Enjoy that smug feeling while it lasts.

Have a guess. It begins with waste of and ends with time.

Well, I do care about the chickens obv, but the gist of the thread was if you cannot afford organic, free range chicken then you should not eat it and live on lentils and it got me incensed at the arrogance of a wealthy ivory tower MNer having the effrontery to dictate such a thing.

But like I said I don't really argue stuff anymore, I just come on here and have a laugh.

this is a bit like that chickens thread (which I never read)

If you are not lucky enough to have a baby who sleeps enough to allow the rest of the family cope, tough, you should get up every 45 minutes for the next 5 years or however long it takes

otherwise those in an ivory tower will feel able claim you might be damaging your child, without even bothering to form an argument, or check the research.

The horrible thing about threads like this is that they automatically make you question your own beliefs, even though you know that what you are doing is the best you can.

I am a FT working mum and was from when dd was tiny, I got utterly incensed at the Oliver James thread where some people saidf that childcare was damaging, quoting all sorts of trumped up nonsense.

And breastfeeding. Yes I do remember the all consumingness of it at the time, but bloody hell some people think that formula is utter poison. I remember reading one post 'whenever I see a baby with a bottle in its mouth I just want to take him away from that vile sticky rubbish'.

There is no need for such hysteria, it simply doesn't matter (essentially) how your baby was fed once they are older. Stuff like that sometimes feels like a conspiracy to make people feel self-loathing at their best made choices.