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To not give my children the swine flu vaccine?

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wintersnow · 17/12/2010 16:15

I decided not to last year as I wanted to wait and see how safe it was but am reconsidering this year after several people have died. Did you give it to your children and what were your reasons to give/not give it?

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ArthurPewty · 17/12/2010 23:26

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Verticallychallenged · 17/12/2010 23:26

I would like to ask if anyone who doesn't understand why some of us don't vaccinate if they would have still gone ahead and had their DC vaccinated if they were in my situation with a family history of disabling severe reactions.

ArthurPewty · 17/12/2010 23:29

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electra · 17/12/2010 23:32

I completely agree Leonie

Laneigejaune · 17/12/2010 23:42

Not sure you can condemn all drugs because the pharmaceutical companies are good at marketing. My DD1s life has been saved on at least one occasion by antibiotics. I sometimes ave a wee shudder to myself at what would have happened had they not been available.

Also, the drug companies on't self cert their own products. The trials etc are independently audited.

electra · 17/12/2010 23:48

Lane - I agree that conventional medicine can save lives. But often if a condition is already there, it's then about weighing up risk/benefit at that time. Whereas vaccinating is 'preemptive'.

At this moment there isn't anything being done to establish children at risk from these programs, or any attempt to find out what the long term consequences might be for people generally. This is a great concern of mine.

elephantine · 18/12/2010 00:10

Back to the original topic, the swine flu vaccine on offer is a 'dead' vaccine so quite safe. Swine flu on the other hand is not. The lucky ones spend a few today's feeling rubbish, the less lucky ones end up intubated on ITU. The very unlucky ones don't make it out. And this includes the young and healthy.

elephantine · 18/12/2010 00:11

Doh! Days not today's. Stupid iPad.

chillichill · 18/12/2010 00:18

ok, I'm totally confused. my dd is 3mo and had her first round of jags. I did some research beforehand but could not find any conclusive evidence that they would be bad for her other than the remote possibility of an adverse, allergic reaction and since there are no real allergies on either side, I though the risk of disease was higher than the risk of reaction.
where do you get your info about risks of vaccination? are they from scientific studies? not a dig, I really want to know as when I was looking this stuff up I just seemed to find a lot of propaganda without much fact.
I do wish there were more options on how vaccines were administered. I wish it could be one at a time, even if it meant going to the doc once a week, it does seem like a lot for their little bodies to take.

Morloth · 18/12/2010 07:37

I am fine with people taking a selfish view on vaccination. I am very selfish when it comes to my babies and would do anything to keep them safe even at the expense of other people's lives.

That is to some extent how evolution/natural selection works IMO.

lady007pink · 18/12/2010 07:41

Mosschops, why did you have a 2nd vaccination - I was informed by medical sources you only need one and are covered for life???

OP, I work in a hospital and last year I was horrified at the amount of swine flu victims and how sick they were - I never saw anybody so bad after the ordinary flu. As a result I got my children vaccinated, even though I worry about vaccinations.

doublechocchip · 18/12/2010 07:47

No I wouldn't let my children have the swine flu vaccine and neither would I, I think it was brought out too quickly with not much testing as a reaction to the panic.

If my children had underlying health isssues then I would have reconsidered.

goingroundthebend4 · 18/12/2010 08:02

Ironic here the one most at risk from complications of swine flu is the one that can't have it as she is unable to make antibodies to Vaccinations hence as no imunnith natrual or otherwise to any childhood illness

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 18/12/2010 09:07

lady007pink - last year the sf flu jab was separate, this year it's incorporated in the seasonal flu jab which is a trivalent, hence the 2nd dose mosschops refers to.

findingthepath · 18/12/2010 10:16

If anyone could give me a fact for not having my child vaccinated then i would be more inclined to change my mind.

So far its just been personal opioin and nothing regarding stat's or figuars.

Has any resruech been done about nonvaccinated children? or vaccinated children?

My thinking is : have the child vaccinated and they might get the illness but it will not be to bad or dont have the vaccination and the risk of them getting the illness is the same as if you had vaccinated the child but the damage the illness does could be worse.

Is this wrong did i miss something?

ArthurPewty · 18/12/2010 10:31

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saggarmakersbottomknocker · 18/12/2010 10:40

finding the path - it depends on the child. Vaccination is safe for the majority of children but not for all. And also it's not just about the illness that's being vaccinated against - it's about adverse reaction to the vaccine. If your child is healthy and has no family history of adverse reaction or auto immune disease for example than you have less to worry about that some other parents. Risk v benefit. But the risk part isn't just related to the risk of the disease itself.

DylthanThroughTheSnow · 18/12/2010 10:51

findingthepath I think the problem the anti vaccine group have are the preservatives and such like that are put in vaccines. ( sorry if I have that wrong and feel free to correct me)

I find it funny that so many mnetters froth at the mouth at the thought of their child drinking a fruit shoot but don't think about the other ways in which chemicals enter their childrens bodies Confused

However based on what I have researched I feel vaccinating my children is right for us it dosen't stop me worrying everytime I have to take them for an injection but I am at ease with my choice that it is right for us.

My children my decision. I feel others have the right to make this choice for their children even if it is diffrent to mine.

I can see why pixieoneleaf got upset and I think the poster that said she didn't vaccinate because she relied on herd immunity and didn't care that that was selfish was deliberately inflammatory and uncaring of mothers in pixieoneleafs situation Sad

Thankfully I don't think the majority of ant vaccine parents think like this (again I could be wrong)

Caboodle · 18/12/2010 12:04

Findingthepath - agree regarding the lack of hard evidence on here so far (individual circumstances aside). Am off now...

findingthepath · 18/12/2010 12:13

Generation recues are trying to get funding for a resurch in vaccination and non vaccination paper but the doctor who will undretake the studie is anti-vaccine there for it could be biased.

I think there is a strong need to do independant resurch in to this issue as pearnts need hard eveidence to protect their children.

I feel that there is a wide range of reasons for the low infection rates but i believe that vaccination is a big factor in it. Also anyone else notice that finland, iceland and norway have lower rates that the uk as i think it is colder there and germs find it hard in those conditions but Austrial and NZ have the same rate as the uk even tho its hot climate? Could it beauce of the viccination programe in these countries?

electra · 18/12/2010 13:11

'If anyone could give me a fact for not having my child vaccinated then i would be more inclined to change my mind.'

I think that's a strange thing to say. I don't want to persuade everyone not to vaccinate. It's down to the individual to weigh it up -it's not some kind of cause.

There isn't any research being done - that's the problem. And vaccination may cause any number of health problems - but most people probably wouldn't link it with the vaccination and anyway you wouldn't know how they would have been without it.

But what I do know is that the government overplay the benefits and underplay the risks of vaccination and for years put mercury in baby vaccines, despite being advised by the WHO to take it out. Then it was finally taken out after that study at the university of Columbia which showed a link between autism and mercury.

I don't trust them.

Caboodle · 18/12/2010 13:17

Electra - have just looked this up and also found
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070516071735.htm

Sorry - don't know how to do link.

This clearly says no link between mercury and autism (for example)

ArthurPewty · 18/12/2010 13:18

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Caboodle · 18/12/2010 13:22

The fruit shoot / vaccination example doesn't hold up anyway - there is no possible benefit from drinking fruit shoots (as far as I am aware Grin), there is for most from vaccination. Anyway, I really am off this time.

veryberry21 · 18/12/2010 13:33

My youngest DS and DD havent had any vaccines in their lives.
DD is twelve. She isn't dead. She's never broken a bone in her life. She has only been to the hospital once. She hasn't had a serious illness. She has never had the flu. Or swine flu or bird flu for that matter. And she is happy and active.
Why should you give your child the swine flu vaccine? It only builds up their fear...

On the other hand though, If your child is over about 10 and wants to have the vaccine then i think you should allow him/her to have it, or if your child is very weak and underwirght or small then they may be more prone to things like that.

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