to think that dragging a disabled man out of his wheelchair is appalling behaviour?

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Protester Jody McIntyre - who has cerebral palsy - being pulled from his wheelchair onto the road by police at the recent protest.

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Disgusting behaviour.

My point being; you don't know.

ANYTHING could have been said/done/insinuated.

How would you feel if the same footage started with the male in the chair saying "i'm sat on a bomb and I'm going to kill as many as I can?

or I can really walk I'm just hiding some weapons?

Overreaction??

My point being: I have previously seen police footage and it showed a male on the floor with his hands out defending himself whilst a copper beat the shit out of him with his baton. I thought it was disgusting. The copper was clearly out of order.

I then saw the whole footage. The "innocent" male had just murdered another male. The copper saw it happen. He didn't know if the male still had any weapons and was trying to detain him at any cost. He feared for his life.

Don't assume what you see is the whole story because it rarely is. There must be more to it and it really bugs me that so many usually "level headed" people are quick to criticize and judge.

I saw anoter vid today with Jody it was posted on the twitter page of Clare Solomon (Soas) president. Now I can't find the link it looked like the police officer was cuddling him and helping him(it was earlier in the day) and I am sure Jody is saying "I am not going to come to any harm" he wanted to be in the middle of the Demo but the policeman is thinking he is protecting him but it was clearly misguided..

FCM there were still other ways to move him. Which weren't used.

FCM, if McIntyre had claimed to have a bomb, had weapons hidden, or had just murdered someone, he would be in police custody now. He isn't. Instead he is appearing on news interviews.

If it turns out that he was making bomb threats, and the police let him go, then that is extremely worrying in terms of the incompetence of the police when dealing with anti-terrorism.

"It just annoys me when everyone jumps on the bandwagon because it's the POLICE" Yes, because if a passing drunk tipped someone out of their chair we'd all be fine with that.

Look guys, I'm not police-bashing. It's a bloody difficult line wrt the whole law and order thing, in practice but also in theory because of the right to protest and right not be assaulted, wrongfully arrested, etc.

Complaining when a copper has stepped over the line is essential to keep the system on the straight and narrow. Yaddaing about the Bradford City fire or children out of school has zilch to do with the actions of this officer, on this occasion.

MillyR - so if someone else said that they thought they heard someone in a wheelchair saying they were sitting on a bomb we should lock said wheelchair user up? That would have been fair? Rather than a street search? really???

No olf course it's not ok to tip a wheelchair user out of their chair ThisIsANiceCage. But can you categorically say that there was no reason for the police to do it? They just randomly walked up to the guy and chucked him out cos they felt like it?

FCM, that isn't what you said. You speculated that the wheelchair user himself made the claim, and it would be a serious criminal offence to make such a claim. It would be right for the police to arrest him.

Are you drunk? You can't seem to remember what you have posted and you can't seem to see very clear events on video footage.

Oh and I wasn't talking about Bradford fires I was talking about the Bradford race riots. And I'm pretty sure I never mentioned children out of school

I can see the footage but if you see the earlier post, I have seen footage that is emotive and shows police in a bad light only later to discover that the actions were wholly justified.

I didn't say that the chair user specifically said anything. I wasn't there and I don't know what happened. That is my point. I could spend the next 10 hours coming up with scenarios to explain what you can see and may still not get it right.

Were you there? Do you know the person in the footage?

I wasn't and I don't. Just hate the way everyone is so quick to assume the police are wrong. on this occasion they may well be.

FCM I'm fairly certain that comment was aimed at anyone discussing other occasions, rather than this one. Eg. those talking about other police officers' behaviour.

Look, the issue is, even if he had to be removed, there are other ways of doing it, agree?

If you agree with that then you agree that the policeman involved was wrong to do what he did. Not all policeman. Just that one.

Sorry, Bradford race riots similarly unrelated; Klaus was burbling about children out of school.

"They just randomly walked up to the guy and chucked him out cos they felt like it?"
Looks like it, doesn't it? Actually his own account, linked to above somewhere, says they told him to move so they could charge the crowd with police horses. To which passive resistance seems quite a reasonable reaction...

Since he's made a complaint, we will at some point know everyone's story.

Klau - if you were a bobby and you thought he was sitting on a knife would you have moved him first?

To save time and effort, feel free to substitute knife with bomb, tear gas, dangerous weapon, gun etc

And so it should be ThisIs. But it really doesn't help that insert random person is always assumed to be such an honest, upstanding person and any copper is automatically a bully, evil cunt and general wrongdooer.

That's my point. I don't know what happened as doesn't any other person here.

You can make stats and footage say anything you want if you show them in your own context.

EG (totally separate circumstance)you are seen in footage smacking your child really hadr on the back. Your child looks distressed, they are crying then screaming. Should Police arrest you, ss take your child?

No. Further info is needed. If you are smacking them hard then measures are needed unless maybe, just maybe, they were choking at the time...

And I am not saying he was choking before some random idiot insinuates I am.

'an honest, upstanding person'

I can't know for sure, but from what I do know of him from his work and others he really does seem to be this type of person.

'You can make stats and footage say anything you want if you show them in your own context.'

Have the YouTube videos been edited? First class work if they have...

And 'the chair user' has a name funkychunkymunky .

I'm keeping it all generic earwicga so I can copy and paste on the next police bashing thread.

Oh, I've just scrolled up and seen you using Hillsborough as a defence of policing. You're not very bright are you funkychunkymunky.

Brighter than average thanks earwicga. I don't have to resort to personal attacks

I don't think any assumption is being made here about the honesty or upstandingness of Jody McIntyre (no pun intended); or the evilness or loveliness of the police generally (tho a few people clearly have scars from personal experience).

We're looking at the available evidence about a specific incident and sucking our teeth. You arrest people on this level of evidence, don't you?

And yes, it may eventually turn out that the copper was in some as yet unknown way absolutely justified in his action. But are you a betting man?

Ha! It wasn't a personal attack, just a clarification regarding a person who uses Hillsborough policing to defend a police officer attacking a man in a wheelchair.

It's always good when people are so straightforwardly stupid. Saves wasting time on them.

No cos I is a woman

Attacking a man in a wheelchair? Do you know that is what is happening? Were you there?

Touché!

I'm not stupid earwica. Maybe we should all prevent the policing by consent? Let the bad sort em selves out n all that jazz. Society would be a much better place