to wonder about Cher's education

[Charliepw]

Why did Cher go back to her primary school?
Wouldn't her secondary let her into the building?

If that reception class even knew who she was and were allowed to stay up to watch Factor X, then they will now be traumatised by the Aguilira burlesque display.

There is a video going round of Cher supposedly being "nasty" to a paparazzi video crew. If you watch it, the supposed "nastiness" amounts to not smiling or chatting with them when she is going out to get a cup of coffee. Big deal.

She says (I think half-jokingly) "What you're doing with that camera is really lame", to which the cameraman answers "Yeah, sorry, we've kind of got to do it," and she says resignedly (eyes straight ahead) "Yeah, you're just doing your job." And that's it. It's obvious that she had just gone out for a coffee and was not being filmed with her consent and had just had the camera shoved in her face.

I think she was awesome last night with Will.I.Am. How nervous would you be singing with some-one like him? I think also they have messed around with her too much, she was better when raw at her audition, but now x-factor is done for her she can find her own way.

She is young, she has plenty of time to grow and develop and learn to be a good player and become an amazing artist. She might bomb and it will become nothing, but what an amazing opportunity for someone at 17, i hope she grows, learns, tempers her behaviour a bit and is very successful. Why on Earth not.

and with regard to her education and not going to her secondary school, there is NO WAY i would return to my own secondary school, apart from to stick two fingers up to them all. If she was a bully, maybe she was bullied first, maybe there were reasons for her bed behaviour? My brother was suspended from school later expelled for fighting and hurting another student. He had endured months and months of bullying, physical and mental before he finally snapped after being chased across a car park by 10 kids, had a one on one fight and was arrested for gbh. Charges dropped, mud stuck. We know nothing about this girl.

Will.i.am was terrible and made her look shit by default.

Agreed - I was a "model student" but there is no way, even now, I'd happily go back to my grammar school. And a year after I'd left? Forget it!! Primary school feels more innocent and I'd be happier going back there.

nancy - actually she looked better than him.

agree with cupcake I thought her expressions when a judge gave a negative opinion were totally arrogant but I believe that is because Simon had already promised her a contract and Cheryl made it so plain that she was her pet.

I've not seen any of the Xfactor other than the bits I watched on youtube last night after reading the suspenders thread. If Cher is only 17 she would be a perfect match for Mr Braggs from the Apprentice who apparently is only 21. A match made in heaven I say.

"Oi am Cher Lloyd the brand" :)

What does Simon Cowell call Will.i.am? I bet that's not the name on his birth certificate. What an utterly stupid waty to spell William - well done, you are different and have introduced a new punctuation mark into a first name.

SPB, I think because that's the way the artist wants it said. what's wrong with people wanting to change their birth names and have a bit of fun with their identities? Especially if they are performing artists? Why does everyone have to be conventional?

Exactly, but that wasn't what he said to Storm Lee - he said what a stupid name, is that on your birth certificate? I'm not calling you that!

And FWIW Will.i.am is a stupid name

Treyc ain't much better....!

Oh I see what you meant, wrt Storm. Yes, hypocritical of Syco, but typical eh?
I quite like Will.i.am - fun wordplay.

I agree with whoever said that whenever Cher is rude, arrogant, or throws a huge tantrum, everyone wheels out the tired old 'she's only seventeen' line but One Direction (who have impressed me more and more over the course of the competition) turned up, got on with it, have never been reported to be anything but polite and professional in their attitude to the show. Oh, and they are the same age if not younger than Cher.

Her age is just a really convenient way of trying to excuse the fact that she's arrogant, rude and immature - immature for a seventeen year old, I mean, and believe me I've known hundreds and hundreds of seventeen year olds.

How do we know Cher doesn't have special needs? Maybe on the autistic spectrum? Her arrogance might be Aspergers? We don't know her really do we? Maybe she had problems as school because of these issues?

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Well said SleepingLion and exactly what I thought. Age is is no excuse for bad bahviour unless you're 5 and under.

I also don't think she will do very well out of this. Her chosen form of 'street music' is all based on credibility and she has non of that being on a main stream talent show. Also as she is not perceived to be a very nice person and difficult to work with most people now won't want to work with her.

I thought Danni was spot on when she said in her critique that what happened to her from now on was down to her and 'how she approached people' in the future.

I can almost guarantee that in a year's time she'll be in Closer magazine having sold her story bleating on about how let down she has been by Simon Cowell as she hasn't made the millions he promised her. But of course non of it will be her fault because she was only 17!!

She's not special needs! Just a nasty piece of work...

Limara - you don't think that if there was even a sniff of these conditions, they'd not have played to them ad nauseum?!

It's very easy to use SEN as a 'label' to hide behind and use as an excuse for poor behaviour. I know plenty of SEN youngsters with all of the above who manage to behave perfectly well and function successfully in society through their own resilience and with the right support and guidance.

Wow. If Frankie Boyle wants some material he should take a look on this thread. Slagging off someone who is legally a child, may have educational issues and whose main crime is to have sung some songs on the telly.

I don't watch x-factor btw so this thread is the limit of my knowledge.

As for grilling one of her teachers to give away confidential information about her behaviour - how would you feel if that was your kid? Oh right she's from a traveller family so it's OK.

Reminds me of those old women who knitted round the guillotine.

I don't think 17 is spectacularly young...lots of nice mannered 17-year-olds out there. Also re. bullying; I knew the difference between kindness and nastiness at a very young age. Although, again, I'm just going by what I've read about her in the papers.

i do agree slagging of a 17 yr old is wrong,
but I can see why a school might not want to be linked to a reality show,

what do you know about her, nancy? spill...

i didn't watch much of this year's X Factor as it's all so formulaic now, but i did think Cher was by far the most interesting person there, and i liked her ballsy attitude. it was kind of self-destructively endearing.

she has a history of violence, bullying, tormenting children.

Family are low life - parents and brother all extremely violent. Lots of campaigns of terror against residents on their estate...

in short:scum.

oh dear. i hope she can turn that around when she's exposed to some nicer people.