To believe that a sizeable chunk of MN holds these opinions?

[MrManager]

The situation described here.

It seems a lot of people, mainly women ime, will assume 'paedophile' very quickly.

Because your OP and link to shit MRA piece is all about getting attention MrManager for you and the crappy MRA cause.

It was just a suspicion I had from some of the other posts you made.

Aren't you?

That was directed to earwicga, btw.

MrManager, what brought you here? Was it the thread about joggers taking over the pavements? It just sometimes reads like you feel like you are here to educate us...

You got me, I am a fierce Joggers Rights Activist, DuelingFanjo.

I don't think I am here to educate, as much as challenge. Oh God that sounded arsey.

But I do think that 'AIBU' has become 'Tell Her She's Right', and the Mumsnet vibe has shifted to a matriarchal hegemony.

That doesn't mean I have to be a men's rights activist or a troll, it just means that both genders have problems, and discussions about that are suitable for a parent's forum.

but it means you lurked for a long time or recently changed name? So what got your goat enough for you to start posting?

Lurked for a few months, but started posting after getting sick of the vibe I mentioned above.

If you work in a clothes store long enough you will be aware that racks of little girls knickers and womens tights attract a certain kind of person.

When I worked in a store that sold them, men would phone to ask about them and start asking about the lace and the gusset whilst breathing heavily down the phone.

I think the security guard should not have approached you, but just been aware that you were there, as with any other customer or potential shoplifter.

As a woman, I do consider the risk of a man being a paedophile to be quite high judged by my own experiences.

If we started a thread that asked if you ever had an adult behave in an inappropriate sexual manner towards you when you were a child, how many yes answers do you think we would get?

It is certainly not my views. ASny woman of sense wants to work full time and that requirse men doing their bit. The more of us who do that the more common it is for men to be minding children. So if you ensure no sexism in your home or marriage then men will be out there as a matter of a norm buying chdilren's clothes and all the other things. If I could achieve that in the early 80s with our first 3 children I don't see why women can't achieve it today.

Never toleraet a day of sexism at home - send him out to buy the underwear. My children's father did their dentist visits for 17 years for example. Gave the father take the baby to the clinic etc. It's only by stamping out the sexism in individual relationships that you remove silly sterotypes and also eradicate once and for all sexist and lazy men.

I am assuming the security guard was a man? In which case where is the relevance in presuming that al MN women feel the same?

I may well be x posting - but TBH I am so annoyed that I cannot be bothered to trawl through all the posts on here.

Asteria, not all of MN are women, and I never presumed that - reread the OP - and the gender wouldn't matter anyway; it is a social attitude rather than a male/female attitude.

"It seems a lot of people, mainly women ime"

Yes, I have noticed that a lot of people do it. IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE EXPERIENCES WHICH I HAVE HAD, THE EVENTS WHICH I WAS INVOLVED IN, women tend to be the main culprit.

Ah, so your version of debate is to link to a pile of shit with a stupid assumption, then when you are disagreed with you patronise and say fuck off.

Well, idiot - kindly fuck off back to your women hating sites where you can settle back in with all the other women haters. Men's inequality? Ha fucking ha!

' a matriarchal hegemony' oh ha ha ha.
How sorry do I feel for men now. There is an issue about which they are being judged unfairly. Welcome to our world. Judged by another man (the security guard). Yet that is the fault of us matriarchs...go back to your patriarchal sites where you can have all the hegemony you need. And you are lucky, if you have not come across situations such as Lynli describes. They happen. They are unpleasant, ask any shop worker or helpline operater, and certainly women can instigate them, but (IME) much less than the alternative. (That would be men, if I was not clear.)

earwicga I said 'fuck off' to your abusive post, not to any legitimate disagreement.

pippitysqueakity I never said I wanted a patriarchal hegemony, I just said I didn't like the matriarchal hegemony. I also never said it was the fault of MNs hegemony that these attitudes exist. I'm sure those incidents do happen, but I'd rather be assumed to be a shopping father than a horny paedo.

I don't want to go back to other 'patriarchal' sites. 1) Because I wouldn't like that, 2) because I think MN needs male posters who can argue their corner and know what 'patriarchal hegemony' means, and 3) because I couldn't argue with posters like yourself there - otherwise how will I become better informed?

Also, again, the incident in the blog is not me. I have just experienced similar things.

That story sounds weird and made up. Contrived at best.

Dh assures me he has not been made to feel like a paedo by anyone, male or female.

'AIBU' has become 'Tell Her She's Right'

1. No, really really not

2. You seem to want AIBU to be 'tell him he's right' and you seem rather annoyed that we are not.

I'd rather be assumed to be an intelligent member of human race, than a woman with children who has the brain of a feather.
However what I want does not always come into it, by means of my gender.
Sorry if some man judged another man and you somehow think that is all females' fault.
Argue your corner all you want, doesn't make you right.
And don't patronise, not necessary to your argument.

And that did not come out as I typed it! 'By means of my gender' should come after feather. Any credibility I might have had now gone...thanks computer.

Hmm it's a tough one; but, on reflection, I would rather live in a society where a father is questioned over his buying knickers for his daughter than in a society where children who disclose sexual abuse are either not believed, or not listened to. Which was pretty much what was going on in the halcyon days when people didn't talk about paedophilia.

Ideally of course, the two things would not be mutually exclusive- but let's look at how far we've come as a society in dealing with victims of abuse before we start screaming about 'paedo hysteria', eh?

Trillian Astra

1. I think so, although reasonable is of course subjective. Look at the 'make of car' thread. If that's not the definition if unreasonable I don't know what is.

2. I'm not particularly annoyed. Some posters like pippitysqueakity and earwicga seem annoyed that I'm talking back, and that their mocking hasn't sent me packing.

pippitysqueakity could you please point me to where I say that it is all females fault?

tethersjinglebellend its possible to believe disclosures of sexual abuse without assuming that a man looking at knickers is dodgy.