To believe that a sizeable chunk of MN holds these opinions?

[MrManager]

The situation described here.

It seems a lot of people, mainly women ime, will assume 'paedophile' very quickly.

The thing is, MrManager, it was a man who made that assumption. And then it descends into - women wouldn't get that, it's all women's fault. At which point the argument goes south a bit.

If I worked in a shop, as I have in the past, I really don't think I'd look twice at you buying age 3 pants. Children generally have a parent of each sex.

That security guard was out of line, questioning a customer in a shop.

I could see if he was trying to put the undies in his pocket or rubbing the undies on his body, but I'm sure the security guard doesn't go around asking every person in the store sans child if they have a job and what they're doing when they're there during the week in the middle of the day.

Personally I'm offended that MrManager would lump all MN together about holding these opinions.

Most men don't buy their kids pants...it's an unusual sight. I would look twice if I saw a man browsing the girls underwear in a shop...yes I would. The majority of men don't do it.

I think it is unfair of you to take an incident involving a male security guard and use that to argue that women have this attitude towards men.

I do however agree that there is a horrible attitude, generally, towards men in relation to their interaction with children.

Stay away from children, stay away from the park, avert your eyes in the swimming pool, don't play with the kids, don't come to the aid of a lost child...

Oh, and be a fully involved, hands on, possibly psychic husband and father.

That's unfair. It's wrong and it should stop. Men are not monsters, waiting for a chance to get hold of a 'kiddie' (to go all Daily Mail)

However, I think you'll find in terms of unfairness, assumptions, prejudice and restrictions - women have it a lot worse.

default setting for childcare, housework, cooking...
damned if you do damned if you don't SAHM
lower pay
worse conditions
statistically much more at risk of DV
shall I go on?

I am not going to tell DH about this thread. He gets paranoid even about cuddling his kids in public (he was horrifically abused so it's a complex issue for him) - I don't want to make him scared of even shopping for their clothes!

It's a shame the guy can't buy his daughter's undies without being questioned but the rest of the article just doesn't stand up. Lots of mums and dads have to juggle work and family life, and why would this be necessarily harder for a single dad rather than a single mum? And it was a bloke who (presumably) assumed paedo. And why would a Saturday be any different? And why assume we all have these views anyway?

So that's one. My OH was a SAHD for the first 6 years of my children's lives, and would buy top up items as necessary, including underwear.
Although an intelligent man, he would struggle to understand the suspicions as they are illogical.
He was also the weirdo sitting in the park with a book whilst his children free-ranged.
There's always someone at the opposite end of the sliding scale.

A man gives a man a hard time, and so you use it as an opportunity to take a pop at a group of women?

First of all, I never said that all women have this attitude.

I said I thought a sizeable chunk of MN would have jumped to the same conclusions, and indeed the first reply to my OP was someone agreeing, so obviously it does exist. I also said that in my experience it is women who will jump to that conclusion first. It's not my blog, but I've also gotten similar suspicious looks from mothers while shopping for DD's clothes.

Obviously men have it better than women in society, but in the parental sphere, not so much.

Do Not Feed the Apologist for Fathers for Justice.

'Apologist' is a bit strong, seeker.

Do you not think that men are more likely to be judged a paedophile than a women doing the same activity?

So, one person out of 35 or so (so far) constitutes a 'sizeable part' of mn???

Sorry to drag this 'debate' into the gutter but it is a load of bollocks that bears no relevance to mn...

So, OP yabu. And fuck off :)

I think the guy on the link is determined to see himself as a victim. He's jealous of people who are proven to be victims of discrimination - women, people from ethnic minorities, the disabled, gay people.

Weird. He mentions he's a single father, presumably his relationship ended badly and he couldn't handle it and has ended up blaming all women for what he no doubt thinks is his evil ex.

Ginhag, perhaps the people holding these opinions were ashamed, and didn't post, opting instead to take a hard look at their prejudices.

I think I've changed a lot of lives here today.

MrManager, you are a troll, yes?
Changing lives? Really?

Oh you are hilarious. you must be very proud.

that blog is fathers4justice rubbish, i'd be ashamed to link to it, personally.

however i HAVE seen some right weird paedo-panicking on here recently, and one person was vilified as a paedophile troll when she asked about keeping her dd clean etc, before being confirmed as 100% genuine mner under a namechange (to no great flurry of penitence from the troll-hunters). some really sensible women went after her, and imo wildly over-reacted to another post as well. so mrmanager may not be as wrong-headed as he appears.

OP 'IABU?'

MN Massive 'too right YABU'

OP 'ha! That means IANBU cos the people who agree are too scared to say'

I award you the prize for Most Pointless Thread Ever. Have this screwed up piece of tinfoil, and run along...

purepurple
Are you serious? Do you really need a wink emoticon to tell if someone is being tongue-in-cheek?

Aitch, it is the 'sizeable chunk' and apparent intent to wind people up that bothers me. Yes, in most spheres of life you get some people who see paedophiles everywhere, same as you get people with all sorts of other strange views, but that doesn't make them the majority. And there is NOTHING on mn to support the theory that a large number of us think like this (or if there is, I haven't seen it.)

Mr Manager, what a load of nonsense.

"Do Not Feed the Apologist for Fathers for Justice.

Mr Manager, yes I do. I am not telepathic. Cynical, yes, a mind-reader, no.

You do get a lot of mothers being suspicious about male behaviour that doesn't fit the norm though, and a lot of cries of 'Trust your instincts, a mother knows'
I know that my Aspie son would trip a lot of the hair triggers of mothers on this website, and have argued the same on numerous occasions.