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to have sacked my nanny? (Be warned, this is probably a bit of a rant!)

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Fillybuster · 04/12/2010 14:44

OK, its a done deal now, but I'd appreciate your feedback regardless...sorry this is a bit long:

Background: I have 3 dcs: DS 5. DD1 nearly 3, DD2 5 months

We had our nanny for 4.5 years: she looked after DS1 full-time from 8 months; took a break during the second part of my maternity leave with DD1 then came back 4 days a week when DD1 was 9 months. When I was pregnant with DD2 we agreed she would work full time until DD2 was 3 months and DD1 started nursery, then reduced hours until Christmas and would probably stop around then.

Although our nanny was great with the dcs - she clearly loved them and they loved her - she is a challenging person with some 'issues', particularly with anger management and emotional maturity. These have caused some problems during her time with us, but on the whole we've let a lot of things go. In particular, we were aware (from a lot of people) that she didn't have a good word to say about us behind our backs - in particular, she was vile about me.

Recently she has been pretty unpleasant to my face, too. I liked being told when DD2 was 10 days old that "there's no reason for you to be tired, all you do is sit around on your arse feeding the baby" Shock....and I had just made her lunch! She has always been slightly over-involved with DS1 in particular, calling him "her boyfriend" and "the love of her life", but I put that down to being very loving....

Aaaanyway....

We gave her formal notice at the end of last week that we didn't have a job for her from January. She's known it for a while, but we wanted to confirm. She begged us not to tell the DCs as "she couldn't cope with them knowing". We agreed that we would all tell them together during her last week.

I was aware that she was telling everyone at the school gates, as various mums had been in touch, but was fine with that, as long as me DCs didn't find out.

On Thursday DS's school called and asked me to come in for an urgent meeting. The meeting was with the Headmistress and his class teacher (Year 1) and both were very concerned. Apparently his behaviour had changed "alarmingly" since Monday, and although it was only 3 days, the change was so noticeable, and so out of character that they felt that had to call me in. This was the same child who had an overwhelmingly positive review at Parents Evening 2 weeks ago, so something was clearly very wrong. Amongst other things he had punched a Yr 4 girl in the playground on Wednesday for no reason and had been trying to kiss and cuddle a group of Yr 5 girls despite them asking him to stop.

His teacher had asked DS if anything was wrong, or if he had any secrets, but he had clammed up and looked terrified. He had told her that he has "no good thoughts" in his head, and couldn't sleep because he was worried :(

They asked if there were any changes going on - I explained the nanny was leaving (they knew....she had told both of them!) but that he didn't know. I started wondering....

On Thursday night I had a long chat with DS about hitting the girl (he said "I felt like I had to hit someone, so I did", but wouldn't tell me why he felt so sad), about how family are there to look after you, how you don't need to have secrets from mummy and daddy (even if someone tell you that you do) etc and then asked him if he had any secrets or if something was making him unhappy. He insisted not.

Then I told him that our nanny was going to be leaving in a few weeks.

He said "I know". I asked him how he knew. He told me that our nanny had told him on Monday but had told him that he absolutely mustn't tell Mummy or Daddy or his teacher that he knew, or he would get into really big trouble. He also told me that she had promised to phone him every morning and every evening, and write every day, and visit him and that when he was big he could go and stay with her. I asked him if this was why he had been so sad at school and he said it was because he wasn't allowed to tell anyone or talk about it.

ShockShockShock[schock]

So in the space of 3 days, my happy, confident, school-loving, gentle DS was compltely changed by the weight of a secret he couldn't cope with. He was very relieved finally to be able to talk about it, and went to bed much happier.

Effectively, she tried to turn DS against his family and prioritised her emotional needs (wanting to be loved more than anyone else) over his.

She only briefly denied it when confronted by DH and myself - demanded that we "bring DS in here right now and have it out with him" - then claimed she had every right to tell whoever she wanted, then claimed we were only sacking her to get out of paying her. At which point I handed her a cheque for the full amount (including annual leave etc) and told her to get out.

So, WIBU to sack her when she turned up for work yesterday? I could cope with all her unpleasantness when directed at me, but always thought she would protect my children and never hurt them?

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MrsTedHughes · 05/12/2010 23:18

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blueshoes · 05/12/2010 23:27

edam, I see what you are saying.

I would go with the dcs' reaction tbh. I had a nanny (call them 'amah' where I grew up) care for me for almost my whole childhood, alongside my mother. I don't recall any goodbyes.

I don't think I am unusual in my views about children not being too concerned with goodbyes. I have heard them from other parents who use nannies before.

edam · 05/12/2010 23:35

blueshoes, would be interesting to discuss that but fear this thread might not be quite the right place to do it.

charlieandlola · 06/12/2010 00:01

what a nightmare ending for you all
I would strongly recommend speaking to all people in schools etc, writing in homework diaries or school books, that she is no longer working for you and your children are not to be released to her.
You can't risk her turning up at school and claiming them as previously.
She does sound v unwell i am afraid

nannynick · 06/12/2010 08:44

Once notice has been given, it can be worth not having the employee work. That is what you have done in affect as far as I can see, by paying her for the time.

Quite right to inform the school. She has no reason to be on school grounds until such time as she gets another job and cares for a child attending the school. So school should be aware of the situation and if she is discovered on school grounds, she should be treated as any other stranger on school property.
When I leave nanny jobs I try to cut all contact with the children for a while - to give everyone a chance to move on. With luck she will do the same.

YeahBut · 06/12/2010 10:31

OP, you did the right thing in letting her go now. I can see no benefit in having a "real" goodbye with the nanny - imagine the histrionics she would have and the resulting upset for your dc.
I wholeheartedly agree with the posters who suggest changing your locks and informing the school.

fedupofnamechanging · 06/12/2010 10:59

Not read whole thread yet, so apologies if I repeat anything, but I would make sure that the school etc know not to hand your DC over to this woman. She doesn't sound at all well.

Personally, I wouldn't have paid her, after behaviour that appalling. Also, I would refuse a reference. I don't think she ought to be working with children and would feel very bad helping her to get another job where she could do this sort of thing again.

Is there some sort of governing body for nannies that you could speak to?

nannynick · 06/12/2010 17:08

Personally, I wouldn't have paid her, after behaviour that appalling. Also, I would refuse a reference.

There are laws in this country, so neither of those is an option. The nanny has worked for 4.5 years, so Fillybuster will need to give a reference but it may be quite short and invite people to call to chat.

There is no governing body for nannies. While Ofsted do register some nannies, they do not regulate this sort of matter. They purely check that the nanny complies with the requirements set out by Government of the Childcare Voucher/Tax Benefits schemes.

Fillybuster · 06/12/2010 23:34

OK, have spoken to both school and nursery and explained the situation.

DS' class teacher rang today and said the difference between his behaviour on Thursday (when she contacted me) and Friday (after I had spoken to him) was incredible. "Back to himself, and smiling for the first time" was how she put it.

I broke the news to him this evening - just said she had caught my cold so would be off all week and that she had decided that it wasn't a good idea to come back next week as she would just get sad about saying goodbye and cry a lot. He agreed. I explained she would probably have a break over xmas, and perhaps go away for a bit, then start with a new family; he told me she would probably visit and I said that would be fine but it might be a while before she got in touch. He seemed ok with that. We discussed him feeling sad about her leaving and I told him that was fine, and that it was ok to talk about it whenever he wanted - also that of course he would be sad (and so would she) because she had looked after him for a long time and had loved him very much (and he, her), but that this was a good thing and that he had lots of nice memories and now we would do different, nice things with other people. Again, he seemed very comfortable with this.

Of course only time will tell, but (fingers crossed) we've escaped fairly lightly and not too much damage has been done.

Once again, thanks for all the support and constructive comments - I've very much taken them on board and tried to implement a lot of the advice :)

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GetOrfMoiLand · 06/12/2010 23:44

Oh dear. How sad and frightening for your poor son.

I think Edam's advice is spot on - at the mo your son seems fine, however she has been such a huge part of his life, I wiuld seek some professional advice on how to manage this in the future.

Silver1 · 07/12/2010 00:03

YANBU- Happy to read the update, but crikey I was expecting a post about her pinching an olive and you sacking her, not her emotionally trashing your five year old.

blueshoes · 07/12/2010 11:14

Filly, you have handled it perfectly, especially the emotional aspects with your son.

Losing a nanny/carer, even long term, is very different from losing a parent figure. I would not make a big deal about looking for emotional scars if none are apparent.

Children take their cue from parents' reaction as well. They might start to imagine trauma if their parents start looking for it.

MrsWobble · 07/12/2010 11:44

just to add from my experience of a nanny leaving after 9 years - the children coped well initially but when the excitement of the new nanny wore off they were especially vile to her for a few months. Luckily she was a particularly enthusiastic and resilient Aussie who coped with it and is now a very firm friend of the children even though she left us over 5 years ago. I didn't realise at the time quite how awful the children were being and quite how wonderful she was, particularly with dd2 who found it hardest - she was 7 at the time. What the nanny did that was so good I think was to understand that her role was to look after the children and keep them safe and that, in their own time, they would learn to like and trust her and that nothing she did to force this would help. She never tried to compare with the old nanny and refused to allow the children to do so and consequently they all moved on relatively quickly.

I think when you do recruit someone new you should think about whether this might be an issue for you - we were just incredibly lucky as we didn't think about it.

zingzillachinchilla · 07/12/2010 11:52

Have been lurking on this post - so glad to see your last post, Filly - sounds like you handled it really well.

edam · 07/12/2010 19:57

Filly, agree you've handled a horrible situation v. well. Glad to hear his teacher can see a difference in ds straight away.

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