To cook spuds in goose fat for vegi BIL at xmas

[MeMudmagnet]

I'd imagine most vegi's would think IABVU?

DH's family are with us for Christmas. They'll be 11 of us to cook for and BIL with obviously need something to replace the Turkey, no problem.
He'll also need separate gravy, hardly any bother.
I usually make a couple of stuffings and make sure one is meat free, again, no bother.
He also likes to have some vegi sausages to replace the pigs in blankets.

I like to do a good job with xmas dinner and I love doing the spuds in goose fat.
I ponder over this every time we have them for xmas. It's a PITA having to pretty much cook a separate vegi dinner alongside a traditional one, find space in the oven and get all the timings right.

Would it really hurt, for one day, if he was unknowingly more flexible?

The rest of the year when we see them, I just make something vegi for all of us, but this is xmas dinner and I like going to town a bit.

So;
a. Would he notice?
b. Would it be really, really bad?

bupcakesandcunting - I don't wrap them. He just likes to have a traditional dinner, so vegi sausages are the replacement.

What is getting slightly on my nerves about this thread is the "how dare those veggies get special treatment" posters. I am a veggie, and I cook meat for dinner guests all the time. I don't necessarily agree with their values but I respect their choice to eat meat and provide it as I know they will enjoy it, and in general I LIKE my dinner guests and am happy to respect their wishes and go out on a limb slightly to accomodate them. In the same way, I would leave something off the menu if I knew someone just had a simple DISLIKE of something. What a shame a lot of meat-eaters on here have such hostility towards their vegetarian dinner guests. I hope my friends don't feel the same about me!

I wouldn't ever give a veggie roasties cooked in goose fat without making sure they were happy with it - in case my position wasn't clear. I do respect people's choices :o

Pregnant woman - my friend gave up being veggie when she was pregnant after nearly twenty years and still eats meat now (her DD is 6) so I don't think the way you're feeling is unusual :)

Bless your stepson GOML and his drunken Nandos. Troll

Oh dear. What do you think 'organic' means? Do you imagine Daisy the cow frolicking in a field of clover, gently nursing her little calf Buttercup - a bit for Buttercup, a bit for you?

Sadly Buttercup's twin brother has long since been removed to the veal pen. Or slaughtered at birth. Because he cannot produce milk you see.

Perhaps Daisy the cow is treated marginally better than her intensively reared cousins, but 'organic' largely relates to her non- GM diet.

The basic fact remains the same - that for an animal to lactate - and continue to lactate, it has to give birth. Regularly. But that milk ain't for her baby. It's for you.

I imagine if Daisy could talk she would say something like 'if you are only going to let me nurse my newborn calf for one night and then take it away, you might as well have my pound of flesh too."

"Goose fat is not the fucking same as milk! They don't extract the fat from a living goose you know."

OK, milk is one example of an animal product. What about rennet and gelatine? They are extracted from the dead animal. And leather. Plus, the dead animal thing is moot. It's about how they are treated, surely? Dairy cows are very badly treated.

I just find it funny that most vegetarians preaching about animal welfare happily chow down on animal by-product yet are getting spectacularly arsey about OP suggesting use of an animal by-product for a veggie man who eats animal by-products.

bupcakes you can get vegetarian Haribo - how do you know it wasn't that she eats?

bupcakesandcunting - Would you feed Jewish and Muslim guests who say they don't eat pork food with bacon in it?

I'll admit I've skimmed the thread as I've had other things to do today, but did I actually read somewhere that someone (sorry, can't remember who) virtually equated animal fat with drinking milk?! Jesus.

OP, if you did this, you would be very very unreasonable and quite frankly a nasty bitch.

Can vegi's not drink wine either!??

Just don't bother giving him spuds?

All depends on why he is a veggie as to whether or not he'd notice and if he'd care?

Can I also say the first time I ate icecream after years of strict veganism I spent the night heaving over a bin. I was being harrassed by the police to move on as in there mind I was clearly beyond drunk cause I could barely speak. I hadn't had a drink I had just had some icecream but as you can imagine they didn't belive my friend when she tried to explain.

Your BIL could have a similar reaction if you give him goosefat and if I recall that was what this AIBU was about wasn't it? Not just another boring mumsnet attack on vegetarians.

some wine MeMudmagne

No, Merrylegs. I am under no illusions about organic farming, I know what happens to male calves, I know the implications of any dairy farming organic or not.

However, I choose organic as the feed and sheltering for the livestock is better than those supplied to non-organic livestock.

I'm not saying that being a meat/by-product consumer is blameless if they buy organic. I am saying that I choose to consume meat and I make the best possible choices available to me.

i would buy locally produced, traditionally-reared (ie the fieldthing and milking at dawn that used to happen) if it were possible.
as it is, i do the best i can.

I don't eat gelatine, i drink veggie wine (thank you Co-op), don't eat cochineal and other animal-derived additives ( check labelling)
it's not fool-proof, of course - i've just found out about the bees, which means now I have to avoid honey, too.
There are loads of things I've found out about as i've gone on, because you can't learn it all in one go, and it's very hard.
the organic stuff is important, because they do have to have better welfare than standard.

OP - veggie wine from Co-op - also sainsbury's home brand stuff has labels that tell you if it's veggie, too, now (i discovered last week)
just check label for V or "suitable for veggies"

^However, I choose organic as the feed and sheltering for the livestock is better than those supplied to non-organic livestock.
I'm not saying that being a meat/by-product consumer is blameless if they buy organic. I am saying that I choose to consume meat and I make the best possible choices available to me.^

That's what most vegetarians would say bunting why does that not make you an idiot? by your own earlier definition

bupcakes - my (rather patronising!) post was in repsonse to the veggie guy who won't eat smarties but drinks organic milk. As if being organic made it any more vegetarian?

MeMudmagne most vegetarians wouldn't expect you to provide vegetarina wine, he can bring that if he wants a glass.

BEcause, evildead, as I have stressed before; I think that picking and choosing which animal by-products you won't eat on the grounds of animal welfare but then choosing to eat some (suet in the case of OPs BIL) smacks of hypocrisy. Most veggies are hypocrites.

This is why I have no problem with vegans. At least they stick by their convictions.

The wine thing has never bothered him either. So what with eating xmas pud, biscuits, cakes, cheese and milk, I don't think he'd have a reaction.

But you can all calm down now. I promise I won't do it......I was just really really tempted....

"bupcakes you can get vegetarian Haribo - how do you know it wasn't that she eats?"

The Sour Tongues are the veggie Haribo. She doesn't eat those. She eats the Star Mix and the Tangfastic. I know this because I buy them for her to eat when she stays at my house.

YABU. Just get some Aunt Bessy spuds and sling them in the oven.

Some outdoor reared pigs have a fucking dreadful life. Free range isn't always that great tbh.

Mmmm, beetles.

It's his choice, and anybody's choice, what they decide to eat even if their reasoning in your opinion is flawed. So, to be a decent huamn being you should tell him and let him decide. To be a decent hostess, you should offer him an alternative.