A good job there aren't many men on MN

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I think men would be shocked at the level of resentment leveled at them on MN. Almost a seething mass of contempt at times.

I'm a man, been on here for years. And I was surprised by it.

AIBU to think it's a good job there aren't many men on here, or would more men posting help men and women understand each other better?

We seem to have gone off on a tangent.

I am interested in exactly who or what the patriarchy are.

Viz rape, the asssumption is that women are in a perpetual state of consent, unless she specifically states that she is not.

Why do we all think that is then? Is that being treated equally under the law?

There are a lot of women who have been treated badly by a man and so go on to tar all men with the same brush and make some very crude negative generalisations about them.

I would agree with dittany. It's like white supremacy. If you're not an anti-racist and you're white, then you are benefiting from white privilege and part of the problem viz racism, even if you aren't individually a rabid racist yourself.

The women who are accused of being man-haters are the least likely to make generalisations about all men. This is because they understand how dangerous it is to generalise based on gender/sex. Speaking about the clusters of common behaviours vis a vis abusers is not the same as generalisation in terms of all men.

The generalisations tend to come from the hard of thinking, as far as I can read.

'Speaking about the clusters of common behaviours vis a vis abusers is not the same as generalisation in terms of all men.'

This bears repeating. I think this is the essence of it.

The clusters of common behaviours have been very well researched and documented.

Quite Matha. I am always slightly about self-indentified male posters who get angry about those behaviours being described as if we're describing all men. We're not. We're describing abusers. Unless you're an abuser, it doesn't apply to you, so chill.

It was me who said the thread was hijacked HerBeatitude.

I'm pretty sure the Op was asking about the resentment shown towards men on MN. The thread seems to have become a long discussion on why feminists believe they dont show resentment to men, while simultaneously stomping all over niceguy2 (whos post has been deliberately misinterpretted).

Its getting back on track now though.

WRT man hating. Next time I see some I'll point it out.

Righto.

It wasn't the feminists on the thread who introduced the "man-hating" discussion. If it's used though, we have every right to refute it, just as black equality activists have a right to refute the "chip on shoulder" insult.

Ha yes quite, HerBea. There are some really nice men on MN, who totally "get it" WRT not taking the observation e.g. that it's men who mainly wage wars as an attack on ALL men. TLD and Pan spring to mind, and I'm sure there are lots of others. IRL I know loads of men who are not at all sexist (as far as any of us can be, having to constantly deconstruct media stereotypes etc).

That's why I am just not willing to take criticisms from certain other male posters who seem determined to get into high dudgeon at such statements.

Also I wouldn't generalise about men being this and women being that, and TBH the more I learn about feminism the more careful I am about not doing this, as notjust says.

Sorry posted too soon. Meant to add "because if I don't want to be generalised about on the basis of my genitals/chromosomes then it's only fair to extend the same courtesy to others"

Truck - sorry if I have missed this, but where on MN is the seething mass?

'The thread seems to have become a long discussion on why feminists believe they don't show resentment to men, while simultaneously stomping all over niceguy2 (whose post has been deliberately misinterpreted).'

(1) Niceguy has not been misinterpreted.
(2) The accusations of manhating were answered, not invented as a straw man.
(3) Here's the OP 'I think men would be shocked at the level of resentment leveled at them on MN. Almost a seething mass of contempt at times.' So there has been some addressing of this.

Sorry I've lost the plot. Which bit of niceguy has been misinterpreted? How?

"Am really surprised Irish law would not have moved on to try and abolish the Morgan defence."

It's become governed by legislation. It's governed by S 2 (1) of the Criminal Law Rape act.
But as I said earlier the Mens rea requirments are "at that time, he knows that she does not consent or he is reckless as to whether she does or does not consent."

which is essentially a statutory endorsment of the HOL decision in Morgan.

Sorry should read Criminal Law rape Act 1981, just in case anyone is interested.

"It wasn't the feminists on the thread who introduced the "man-hating" discussion" - HerBeatitude

With respect, in relation to feminists yes it was. Read back.

In fact I dont think any of the posters who have said men get a rough deal have blamed feminists.

"You too ccpccp, haven't answered if you're male, nor why you made that crack about "shoot them in the head" when talking about women who were disagreeing with niceguy." - dittany

I thought everyone knew the only way to kill a zombie was to shoot it in the head. It was a play on the coralled by zombies joke niceguy2 made, right before he was coralled by zombies.

You were probably cross-eyed with fury at his awful post at the time so missed it. Apologies.

oh look ccpccp, this is the first post which mentions man-hating:

"There is a clique of man haters on MN who seem to have license to do and say whatever the hell they like"

And the author? One ccpccp.

This talk of zombies and seething masses sounds a bit neurotic far-fetched to me.

Is it about some men not being used to being disagreed with, or am I off the mark totally?

No doubt ccpccp will be blessing us with the observation "aha but I wasn't mentioning feminists just manhaters".

Thing is, when people talk about a clique of man-haters, don't give any clues as to who they are talking about, but mention obliquely such things as "those women who tell other women they don't have to stay in abusive relationships" it's not surprising that a lot of people go "oh, you mean FEMINISTS, those people who campaigned for e.g. domestic violence to be considered a crime".

Marking my place.

Hardeharhar about the zombies, how very funny. And cross eyed with fury, equally touche.

Nice to see someone can see the funny side of dismissing women's opinions.