A good job there aren't many men on MN

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I think men would be shocked at the level of resentment leveled at them on MN. Almost a seething mass of contempt at times.

I'm a man, been on here for years. And I was surprised by it.

AIBU to think it's a good job there aren't many men on here, or would more men posting help men and women understand each other better?

:o at "Ladies, dittany is an idiot. Trust me - she's doing more harm than good". Actually I don't think you are the sole judge of that, LTW. Shocking I know. IMO she is pretty damn far from being an idiot, and she has done a lot to help women on here. She has certainly done me more good than harm, even where I disagree with her.

It's pretty clear that the police very often have little intention of investigating reports of rape and sexual assault. Evidence is not going to walk in the door (except in the form of the victim of course), you have to go and find it. Perhaps the neighbours who saw a naked woman run from her house at midnight, or the club bouncer who looked after the woman who came up to them bleeding and half-dressed having been dragged round the back. Maybe forensics in the victim's house etc. There seems to be next to no will to prosecute.

That should have been , but you know, :o will probably do. I often smile at the lunacy of those who truly believe that their views are the defining views, and will brook no objections.

427 messages in one day. Neat. And getting back to the OP momentarily, I don't see a seething mass of contempt. I sometimes notice some bloke posting something along the spectrum of clumsy/insensitve to the outright misogynistic, and not liking how demanding the responses can be.

and yes the " men are.." posts get a bit tiresome, and I very ocassionally complain about it but most times I couldn't be arsed.

and more men posting on MN? oh that depends. To have your view/opinion changed you have to listen to someone else's, which is sometimes a bit lacking in all posters here, and there's little reason to take it that blokes would be any better at it!! It's a bit like learning to sing. At least half of this process is about ^listening', rather than singing. Posting here should as much about reading as it is about typing, to use the analogy here.

and lets face it. In society we have a male privilige. On here that is, and should, be diminished. So expect a bit of criticism, fair or not, which you may not reeive outside of it. It's a pre-dominantly female place, so proceed with care and respect.

lots of typos. Big deal. It's 2.25am.

"Men know you're place!!! Hmm...not quite what I meant.

and it's 'your place' in any case.

TSH, I don't think that's what CRP said at all. How do you manage to get things upside down and backwards so much of the time?

TSH....Are you in your fifties? Not meaning to insult but anyone so set in their misogynist ways, unbending has got to have have those misguided views for years to be so entrenched in them.

Who are you insulting me or Posie?

Rad fems, lmao, you don't have to be a radical feminist to see your posts for what they are. Your views are outdated and quite odd for someone younger than fifty. I would have thought you read right wing tabloids and think you are in for an intellectual treat when you read The Daily Mail...

And you do seem to sneer at feminism, which stems from two things only, either you enjoy being oppressed or you're too ignorant to notice.

TFP; I share TSH views and I'm not in my 50''s ( nowhere near) .... & lol that you're even putting an age to opinions - how ageist!

( but fwiw - most hardcore feminists are in their 60's - unusual for young woman to be so radicalised .... Maybe you're in your 60's? )

dp....that's not true about the age of Feminists, at all. My generation was skipped because most of us thought feminism was a redundant movement, even we thought that 'women couldn't have it all'.

I find it hard to read young women having such anti feminist views, it makes no sense.

I don't think an oppressed person is always the right one to judge whether or not they are oppressed. Never mind.

Individual women may not regard themselves as oppressed, but it is ridiculous to claim that we do not live in a male dominated society.

Thereby, women, as a group, are oppressed.

I'm always faintly surprised by women who deny this situation or think it doesn't matter. They may not care for themselves but it is very odd to try to argue others out of caring.

Interesting chat!

The thing here is that men are - for obvious reasons - massively outnumbered by women on MN. That means that you'll see every part of the spectrum of womankind and ultimately we are always more likely to register comments that we perceive as being rude, aggressive etc.

I've found the vast, vast majority of women on MN to both appreciate the men that post here and also be pretty balanced in their comments. Tbh, I chuckle at the slightly more 'man-hating' stereotypes that pop up from time to time.

My reservations? I think that some people can often be very quick to label someone an abuser, with very little insight into the background of what is being talked about, personalities, histories etc. I think a great many people, men and women, have behaved abusively at times but I am very uncomfortable when they are simply labelled as an abuser (they are often also abused from what I read), as this quickly distorts people's perceptions of them, potentially the OP's as well.

I also don't really appreciate posts suchg as the following from page 4 (I think) of this thread:

"YABU

The majority of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women. Two women are murdered every week in England and Wales by an intimate partner. I am not making this up. "

I don't see how this is relevant at all! In my local authority, the majority of reported cases of child abuse are perpetrated by women. I would never use that fact as justification for any broad brush labelling or aggression towards women on MN as I know that these people are a very small minority.

no,not all women are oppressed what a daft generalisation.and this assertion is damaging and limiting.smacks of women know your place=forever oppressed

class
culture
education
country lived in
all add to the differentiation of individual women and individual circumstances

all women are not oppressed.all oppression is not equally felt

cant reduce women to a homogeneous oppressive mass

Are you folks suggesting that we don't live in a male dominated society?

Are you also suggesting that because some women do not feel oppressed that that somehow negates the oppression of women as a group?

Sounds a bit 'I'm alright jackish' to me.

you are suggesting we all share a homogeneous experience.not so.you deny individuality or individual opinion to assert on fact women are oppressed.then if anyone challenges this you rationalise this as they dont have the higher consciousness or overview which you apparently have. this assertion that the masses are too oppressed/stupid to see their situation but fortunately a few enlightened sisters do is smug and risible.how very grandiose

i live in a flawed society. i have experienced mistreatment by both genders

i dont make sweeping generalisation about all women,because we aren't a homogeneous mass

Also do you think that saying black people are oppressed by white supremacy, is a daft generalisation, because some black people are famous golfers, CEO's, presidents and actors? (most of them men funnily enough!!)

Is it reducing the black population to a mass of thickies, who can't think for themselves, by pointing out that they (as a group), do not have the same economic and political power as whites (as a group)?

I thought that was more like pointing out how shoddily white people have behaved. It is not a value judgement on black people.

no dont do an orchestrated digression here.i challenged a specifc statement.stick to that without trying to infer other stuff i didnt say

Hopefully we are now working towards a situation where we might have more than 50% of women in position of power not 11% or whatever low figure we have but it behoves us all, male and female, to seek to aid that happening and every woman who goes part time or ends up doing more than a man at home (more fool those women) is hindering that process.

But it comes down to exactly the same thing - one group, as identified by social construction, has more power than another group.

Either we live in a male dominated society or we don't.

If we do, that means men as a group, have more power and status than women as a group.

Quite obviously this does not mean that all men are horrid and all women are lovely. Nor does it mean that all women are oppressed to the same degree. As you point out, class, income, etc affect one's standing in society. Nor does it mean that no men are oppressed.

It means things like most high powered politicians are men and most of the world's wealth is held by men.