To think a lot of American films (especially Disney) are quite racist?

[lollypoplady]

(Okay, not sure if 'English' is a race, or whether it would come under 'caucasian'. I know that people get accused of racism against 'Irish' so I am assuming 'English' can also be a race - or would that be ethnic origin?!) Anyway, so many of the villans in American films are English, I notice this especially watching Disney films with the kids, if all the villans had for example Indian accents or even Irish accents wouldn't more of a fuss be made? Just curious!

Afros arent funny. Hair that goes wild in humidity is. Or so I've been told. I find it very sad when mine does a "monica" why didn't it ever do a Rachel?!? Just once... . :(

Think the person who said british character actors play the best baddies is dea on. Alan Rickman is beyond awesome

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Chil1234 I thought that about flushed away too, Kate Winslet's cockney accent was feckin awful!

Michael Moore is an ignorant prat. Because he is a liberal one people tend to excuse his brand of "Liberalism for Dummies" propaganda films and books and the fact that he seems to make up things where possible

I say that as a hardcore left winger and democrat.

I think it is because we have more actors that don't look like heart-throbs in the UK. When I think of the Harry Potter cast I genuinely can't think of the US equivalents. I also think there is more interaction between theatre and film here, with them all being based pretty much in London whereas in the US you would be in NY if you wanted to break into theatre and California for film. I know there is some cross over but it tends to make headlines when Julia Roberts/Nicole Kidman does a theatre role. You want a baddy with a theatrical bent, who doesn't look like too shiny and perfect - well London is a good place to get that training.

I think The Shadow Man in Princess and the Frog is from New Orleans. I will stick it on for the kids later and let you know!

HowAnnoying I mean the princes little servant who colludes with the shadow man, ummm, maybe I watch too many Disney Films !

Evil Dr Pork Chop is not a baddie, he is a toy that Andy uses as a baddie when he is playing with his toys. The Toy Story films have their own baddies. And none of them are English.

lollypoplady - oh yes he is English!

No lolly he is meant to be a Cajun (and I don't usually get het up about these things but he really is an eye-rolling stereotype).

Oops, getting my characters mixed up , yes the servant is English.

I'd be more worried about Disney's attitude to parents. They seem very pro dead ones .

I quite fancy the shadow man!

That's true! It doesn't pay to be an adult does it. You will be killed off fairly sharpish so your kids can find lovely new parents....

Bambi was pretty horrific on the front!

I agree re the rewriting of history to put America in a heroic light. The thing is, American kids grow up genuinely believing that they were the good guys and won the 2 World Wars single handedly. No mention of how they spent longer training for WW1 than actually fighting or of lend lease in WW2. They are then genuinely surprised that they are not popular with the rest of the world.

This does Americans no favours at all, because every American I have met has been lovely.

Slight rant here - sorry

Dumbo is worse, I can't watch it. Poor Mrs D locked up with her trunk poking through the bars looking for her baby .

There there karma, I feel your pain.

They are also never taught that the Marshall plan, as lovely as it was, was designed to screw Europe's economy over and build up the US's (making them a super power). The UK only finished paying off it's Marshall plan debt in the early 2000s. It wasn't all philanthropic sweetness and light.

American's rewriting of history is annoying - however Britain's refusal to acknowledge that we couldn't have won it without them is just as bad.

My complaint wasn't just about the UK, but they ignored all the South African (like my relatives and family friends), Australian (like my relatives), French resistance, Indian, Rhodesian etc. etc. fighters who played a role in winning WW2.

Well, Mel Gibson DID win the war of independence for them ya know!

I think it's a compliment, the Americans know that the only people smart enough to pull off these grandoise schemes of tyranny and world destruction are obviously the British and not the Americans who lack any idea of subtlety.

British - "Hmmmm, I will conquer the world by slowly planting sleeper agents in all the worlds governments who will one day awaken and assassinate all the leaders and announce me as their new overlord..MARVELOUS!"

American - "I WANTS YOUR OILS!! blows giant raspberry then shoots everyone before eating a donut

The thing is Nancy, we'd had years of fighting before the USA got involved, and they didn't come in because they thought it was the right thing to do. They became involved once Pearl Harbour was bombed and used the war to make money out of Britain with Lend Lease. If the shoe had been on the other foot, then Britain would probably have done the same thing. I'd just like for there to be some honesty rather than this idea that America acted out of the goodness of its heart.

I'm not sure what Britain had to gain from its involvement in WW2. The policy of Appeasement gets a lot of criticism, but it gave us that valuable extra time to prepare. Britain and the countries that were part of the empire did the majority of the work, but not if you grow up in America.

Does this fall under Godwin's law? Or should we have an entirely different one for how long it takes on any thread on any forum to turn in to an American bashing or complaint that they don't know enough about WW2?

Tis a fact though theevildead2. I don't mind them knowing fuck all about WW2, I just mind them claiming all the credit for winning it!

Its hardly american bashing is it? Bit bloody sensitive there are ye?

Isn't there a line in Pearl Harbour where one character says "this is the start of WW2", and it's set in 1942 or something?!?

It is annoying, however films are fiction, some based on fact so as long as our history lessons in school remain true to fact I don't get too iratated by it!!

Re. DUMBO - I literally cry every time I watch it. It's ridiculous!!