To think a lot of American films (especially Disney) are quite racist?

[lollypoplady]

(Okay, not sure if 'English' is a race, or whether it would come under 'caucasian'. I know that people get accused of racism against 'Irish' so I am assuming 'English' can also be a race - or would that be ethnic origin?!) Anyway, so many of the villans in American films are English, I notice this especially watching Disney films with the kids, if all the villans had for example Indian accents or even Irish accents wouldn't more of a fuss be made? Just curious!

We call it the Titanic Effect. In that film all the American accents are lovely, kind romantic types, the English are evil, villanous or incompetent, and the Irish are stupid, poor and play too-re-lai fiddles and dance and drink.

Its the same in many films.

BonniePrinceBilly I'm going to start using that phrase too, nice one!

Am thinking about Disney Pixar animation films and finding it hard to think of one without an English baddie in it

"Am thinking about Disney Pixar animation films and finding it hard to think of one without an English baddie in it"

Cars and Toy Story

Also to add to that Howannoying:
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast

Actually, I don't think most Disney villains do have English accents. I think that the most memorable ones do though, and this is why we think it. Scar from The Lion King for example.

Most modern day (ie Disney Pixar) Disney films have American villains.

I still think the English bad guy thing comes out of Americans thinking the English accent sounds intelligent and therefore an English actor in the antagonist role provides for a higher class of villain!

The classic Eastern European villian harks back to the Communist era, when Russians and the like were to be feared. Hence a more sinister bad guy.

It's very stereotyped and quite annoying. Though I happen to think that the Russian accent is disturbingly sexy, so I have higher tolerance!

Beauty and the Beast does have an evil english voice (asylum owner) and I'm pretty sure Jafar has an english accent in Aladdin. I've been brainwashed with those two cartoons recently.

HowAnnoying Toy Story has evil doctor pork chop, haven't seen cars

In US dramatisations of Gulliver's Travels, the Lilliputians always have English accents

It just grates on me- why are Afros funny in particular?

Toy Story 2 - The Prospector is American
Toy Story 3 - Lotso is American
Monsters, Inc - Randall is American
The Incredibles - The ginger superhero is American
The Little Mermaid - Ursula (not sure - is she American? She isn't English though)
Aladdin - Jafar is not English

JimmyChooChoo haven't seen Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast has the stuck up mean candle stick

Yes he is, sorry - Jafar is English

We're not just the villians, were also the heros nowadays.

Has anyone else noticed how well we are respresented in films coming out of the USA at the moment? We are taking their film industry by storm.

My main gripe is when they rewrite history (e.g. British achievements turned into American ones) or relocate a story to somewhere in the USA when its originally based elsewhere.

So I guess not all the baddies are English as we've seen from the above.

What DOES grate on me though is how American films have an English character with the most unconvincing 'cockney' accent.Argggghhhh!

Pink - it wasn't an affro it was Monica's own hair frizzing with the humidity.

lollypoplady, do you mean Lumiere? He's definitely French. I think you might mean Cogsworth the clock, he's not a villain, but he does have an English accent.

I think Ursula is meant to be English, deffo an English accent

Nothing to add really, just popped in as saw someone with a very similar nickname to mine...excellent taste

I have only seen Toy Story 1&2 (Am very excited about watching it on xmas day, as have bought it for me DS1) SO dont know who evil pork chop is.

Princess and the Frog doesn't have an english baddie. And Wall-E.

ccpccp, see U571 for the most blatant Americanisation of English history. Shocking. Though features Jon Bon Jovi, so still worth a look....

Pink I think I would look funny with an afro because it is so different to my usual hair, I think that was meant to be the joke in Friends, she just looked very different to how she usually looks

Isn't the bad guy who swaps bodies with the prince in Princess & the Frog English?

If you want racist (or at least seriously dodgy national stereotyping) then 'Flushed Away' is the animation for you. 'Le Frog'..... 'nuff said. English upper-crust baddie, naturally.

I find the American insistence that they won WW2, on their own, more annoying. I even once sent an email to Michael Moore about it after he'd posted a blog entry saying that the US had now been in Afghanistan longer than they'd been in WW2, and in that time "we had single-handedly defeated Hitler and Mussolini, and were on our way to beating the Japanese" or some such twaddle. I sent him a list of ALL the Allied countries who had fought in WW2 and called him something like an ignorant prat.

He never responded