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Terrible morning - DS in tears both very upset

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onceamai · 05/11/2010 09:21

A bit of background but I feel really at the end of my tether and very upset.

DS is 15, very bright, at one of the most academic (and most expensive) schools in the country. Very good grades, popular and sporty - everthing going for him (apart from his awful mother) Every time I speak to him I am snapped at in an insubordinate way "what" "in a minute" "ffs" "no I didn't".

Every time I ask him to do something it's in a minutes. Of particular note is his bedroom which is a complete tip. I had a week off at 1/2 term and wanted to tidy it. He had two weeks - complete refusal to help always later or not now. In fact seemed to spend entire two weeks in bedroom on computer, game station, etc.

Is asked constantly to sort out piles of clothes on chair and make sure what needs washing is in linen basket. Always an issue finding essential stuff - asked time after time to get games stuff ready night before so if something can't be found or needs washing there's time to deal with it. Never happens.

At five to eight this morning - we have to leave at 8, "where's my PE top". Is it in the cupboard I say, no. When did you last have it - if you unpacked rucksack at beginning of half term and put in wash 3 weeks ago, shoudl be in cupboard. Response is rude and insubordinate - more the tone than the words. PE top found, screwed up in heap bottom of pile on chair.

I completely lost it, yelled at him about rudeness, speaking to me like s**t, treating me like a servant, complete lack of responsbility. Never doing what is asked.

Response is "i'm still growing and I get tired and you don't understand". I completely lost it again - I'm nearly 50, work full time, bend over backwards, can't do any more and dreadfully "I don't have any of this with your sister".

Then I found that yet again, he had thrown my clothes on the bedroom floor and not picked them up (he uses my hairdryer and mirror in the morning) and I lost it again.

In the car he told me I was a bully (I had said earlier he could get the bus but relented so he wouldn't be late) and he couldn't help it - it was his personality and the only problem was that we were both the same (we are). He said he felt that I said he was useless and had ruined my life - don't think I did. I told him to buck up his ideas and that if he couldn't he could go to the local comp. because I was sick of bending over backwards and making sure he got the best of everything when he was so ungrateful.

Awful, awful morning. I feel absolutely dreadful and a completely useless parent. He got out of the car really upset. I am on the verge of talking to his tutor.

This was all over a PE shirt but I feel at the end of my tether because I simply cannot do any more and feel there is zero appreciation.

Sorry this is very long and rambling but really really upset and worried. DH works abroad Mon-Fri so I do keep a lot of balls in the air and it is hard sometimes. DH though does tend not to confront issues - that's his family's way and why his two sisters are completely non conformist, ie, have never worked, grubby, lazy, scroungers. May be a bit of I'm not having you turning out like either of those two lazy so and so's in here in case it's in his genes.

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redflag · 05/11/2010 17:18

Sounds rather normal to me! Tell him to do his own bloody washing, then he will know where his clothes are!

rainbowinthesky · 05/11/2010 17:27

DS is 15 and goes to the local comp. We have threatened him with going to the nearby expensive academic private school but we wouldnt follow through.

He is often rude to us and takes us for granted. However, I have not tidied his room for him since he was 7, collected laundry, plates etc. His room is always clean and tidy and he does this all himself. Not sure why someone earlier thought boys couldnt do this Hmm

carefulwiththataxe · 05/11/2010 18:46

I had to laugh at this. I have had exactly the same conversations with both my teenage ds's this morning. But don't fgs let your children reduce you to tears.......if they don't give me their washing it doesn't get washed. End of.

Snakeears · 05/11/2010 18:55

don't talk to tutor - issues are at home. talk to tutor if problem are at school are they?

jaffacakeaddict · 05/11/2010 19:10

I haven't had time to read everything,but did read your comment about the relative size differences between you and DS and feeling that this would make it difficult to take games consoles away from him. My father in law had a great solution to that when my brother in law was being an obnoxious brat at about the same age. He waited until his son was out of the house and then took the fuses out of the plugs attached to the games consoles.

I'd speak to DH too. It sounds as though you are being left to deal with a huge amount by yourself and could do with some support at weekends. Could you agree boundaries together and then explain them to DS? If you give him an allowance each week would it be possible to deduct a few pounds each time he is rude?

Good luck

onceamai · 05/11/2010 19:21

Hello all.

Been to work now and have re-read original post. Oh goodness me I was upset. Have just read the whole thread. Would especially like to thank: BCBG, Need a Foot Massage, Working it out as I go, The Kidsmom Smile, Earwicga - yes leads - what a very good idea and Beryl Streep - yes you are quite right very menopausal.

What I didn't say this morning, is that usually together with DD he provides much joy in my life together with DD. I am hugely proud of rearing this intelligent, handsome, talented, sensitive boy, sporty boy who has innumerable qualities and at present happens to be a teenager.

On reflection, my life is incredibly timetabled and I do need more help. This is the first year for many, at the children's request I might add, that we have not had an au-pair. As he is soaring adolescence I am soaring the menopause and that adds its own difficulties.

Later we will sit down and have a talk about some changes - not big ones, but we will get him a hairdryer and mirror tomorrow - this one just sort of crept up on us. He will be getting his own laundry basket and only items in it will be collected for washing. Kit bags are to be packed the night before and any issues will not be handled in the morning in the future - departure is 8am and I have three of us to get out at 8 and cannot deal with this in the morning.

I will continue to drive him to school - it is a very awkward journey on public transport and he comes home on the bus after school and has done since he was 10. Also the 10 minutes it takes has afforded us some quality time over the years, I will not make a fuss about his room being tidy, but he will have to co-operate over laundry.

The Kidsmom's comments resonated - yes they are under enormous pressure and I think it's right that they are supported greatly. Also, I think if they come from an orderly home that is what they know and emulate later. On a humorous note, I'm very glad some of the poster's dc didn't learn piano - awfully heave when strapped to the back on the bus!

As many of you have also recommended I will be buying a copy of "Get out of my Hair but fist take me and Alex to town".

With thanks to you all.

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onceamai · 05/11/2010 19:36

PS: he's just been downstairs for a raid on the fridge and he gave me a hug and said sorry and I love you mum!

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onceamai · 05/11/2010 19:38

PPS: Tears coming now.

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trumpton · 05/11/2010 19:40

Oh bless you both Grin

Kaloki · 05/11/2010 19:43

Glad he said that, was about to post that I was exactly the same as a teen. At the time I couldn't see that I did anything wrong, but looking back I can see that I was a pain.

Always always loved my mum and dad though, even when I was throwing a strop. Try not to take it to heart.

needafootmassage · 05/11/2010 19:46

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hairytriangle · 05/11/2010 19:49

It's awful isn't it. I strongly recommend getting a book which explains about teenage brains re-wiring and exactly why they become like they do. it makes it SO much easier to understand and deal with!

bruffin · 05/11/2010 19:49

See 15 year old ds's are lovely for all the hormones and teenageness Smile

lovechoc · 05/11/2010 19:50

Some of the worst language I've heard are from children who attend public schools. It doesn't matter where they get educated though, you can only raise them best you can.

iamamug · 05/11/2010 19:51

Have 16 year old DS - love him dearly but Oh boy - are those barriers being pushed.
However - really shot myself in the foot while shouting at him yesterday (Iknow Iknow!! shouldn't do it) I said "that is not appropriate behaviour for a 15 year old"

"mum - that's not even funny - I'm 16"

I even argued about it!!

Boy did I feel an idiot...

Would just pick up point about having to hide laptop/leads/whatever - NO you don't have to hide them - you have taken them away - he gets them back when you consider it the appropriate time.

Anyway - it seems you have had a good chat and hopefully things will get better - we all feel your pain!

usualsuspect · 05/11/2010 19:52
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EightiesChick · 05/11/2010 20:05

Some of what I'd have said is out of date now you have posted again, OP, but just to add:

Does your DH back you up when he is here, ie actually tell DS that he should not speak respectfully to his mother, even/especially when DH is away? It's very important that he gets dad time but also that he sees very clearly that the two of you are united on this.

You have clearly decided that he needs domestic support, but I would still start encouraging him to take on a bit more responsibility still for household tasks. The Flylady 15 min system is supposed to work well with kids also. Who has so much homework/pressure that they can't even spend 15 minutes to tidy their stuff away/get their kit bag ready / help hang the washing out?

giveitago · 05/11/2010 20:13

OP - I may be completely off the wall here but your ds sounds very much like my cousin.

My daunt/duncle scraped to send dcousin (much younger than me) to an exclusive school. He's had the best of everything but it's almost like he doesn't acknowledge his parents as they are not part of the school culture.

I find it offensive on their behalf.He's mixing with the 'great and the good' and has no idea of the sacrifices his parents made for him.

If this resonates - your ds needs a huge dose of reality and respect.

If not - then ignore me completely!

onceamai · 05/11/2010 20:35

Eighties Chick - on the whole DH would never tell ds that he should not speak respectfully to me - except if we are having a very good holiday type lark Grin. See I've got my sense of humour back now Smile

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BCBG · 05/11/2010 20:41

I see no relevance to how he is being educated: I deal with out of control young offenders from all walks of life and respect for adults is a difficult area for all of them........

anyway onceamai, I have let my 3 older DCs know I am menopausal so that when I blow up, am tearful or irrational/oversensitive (who, me? Grin ) they begin to understand and empathise, just as I am prepared to cut them a certain amount of slack when they are feeling insecure or moody....

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 06/11/2010 00:22

earwicga you're probably right..but I think I might need to shorten the list first..made me realise I might be guilty of being a tad bit over-optimistic to think a 15yo could do all 20 things in 6 weeks!

OP very heartening update and a nice end to the week to see the turn around in you, which is what matters most and first. It will reflect in your son and I bet he will be happier. Our school parenting coach (it does sound Californian doesnt it) says that giving kids responsibilty makes them happier..and I think she's right. The boundaries you are giving him will be really helpful.

Night all!

Greenwing · 06/11/2010 00:39

I have DSs aged 19, 16 and 14.
Your son's behaviour sounds completely normal - as does yours!
The fact that he came down and gave you a hug and said he loves you is WONDERFUL!

My oldest is at university now. When he had been gone a few weeks we chatted on the phone and he commented on how he had noticed his younger brother getting moody and adolescent - and then he apologised profusely and charmingly for all the times when he had been a 'complete dickhead' as he phrased it - he said he looked back and couldn't believe what an idiot he was when he was a younger teenager.

The light at the end of the parental tunnel shone bright at that moment and for the first time in years I was sure that I had a wonderful son to be proud of, not a rude, selfish, ungrateful monster!

Judging by your son's apology tonight he will make you feel the same and you can be proud of yourself too for the love and thought you have put into the situation.

3littlefrogs · 07/11/2010 12:20

I agree with greenwing.

I found I was much more able to take a deep breath and step back with ds2, because I had been through it all with ds1. Consequently, the teenage years were much easier with ds2.

The teenage years are very hard with the first one because it is scary unknown territory for both of you.

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