to get DD a white poppy to wear at a remembrance service?

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She is 14 and has been selected by the school to represent her house at their service.

DD is vehemently pacifist and anti-war.

Rather than her get in trouble for refusing to go (which is what she is planning on doing) would it be unreasonable for her to go but to wear a white poppy instead of a red one?

You know maybe, just maybe, red poppy wearers are a lot more educated than you think, and went on to the website, and read that the white poppies signifies the view that Remembrance and the Red poppy signify a pro-war sentiment, and thus they reject it. Or maybe they just made a good guess? Either way, there's no way you can call people blinkered for believing the white poppy represents what your own website says it represents.

Yes sure noddy.

.Why can't you accept the opinion of others?You sound ridiculous

Er.. ok

Appletrees, where on the website does it say that the red-poppy is pro-war explicitly?

I would interpret "condoning" as "pro"?

Come on, give us the quote.

Personally-having finally gone on the white poppy website-I would much rather that my money went to give emotional, financial and practical help to service and ex service men and women than for 'educational' purposes. I don't need them to educate me-I can read books.
I also think that 'killing strangers'is an over emotive way of putting it. I would say that the UK is unusual for fighting wars because they are doing it for a just purpose and not with hatred-probably because we are an island.
I am anti war but sometimes people have to stand up for beliefs. I mentioned earlier that I had just read 'Alone in Berlin' by Hans Fallada published in Germany in 1947 but the English translation just published last year. The author lived through Nazi Germany and he did what most people did, neither collaborated or resisted-just kept his head down and hoped not to be noticed. I suspect that it that I may have done, so I think it is good that people are prepared to lay their lives on the line.
I have just started 'The Betrayal' by Helen Dunmore (purely coincidental that I have 2 similar books). It is set in Stalinist Russia and one of the top people's son is seriously ill and everyone is frightened to treat him-the first doctor has had secret x-rays and put nothing in writing and is trying to pass the case on to the main character in the story. He is advised to phone in sick but of course he doesn't or there wouldn't be a story. He and his wife spend their whole life trying not to come to the eyes of the authorities. Treating this child, if it goes badly, will end in them 'disappearing'.
These things happen, if people allow them to happen. I think that the DD should read some stories like these-and, sadly, there are plenty of true ones too. Fallada's fiction is taken from a true case.
I can see that a 14yr old sees it in black and white-it is the age where they should get passionate about things but unfortunately they never are black and white and there are always every shade of gre imaginable.
Despite many of the views expressed on here, the white poppy hasn't much support, or I would have seen at least one person wearing it, and Help for Heroes gets at least one mention in my local paper every week-they have enormous support and so they should IMO.

See, if that's the quote you're looking for, it's not saying what you think it says.

It doesn't say the White Poppy campaign thinks the Red Poppy is pro-war.

Don't know what happened to the 'y' should read shades of grey.

Oh come on, the red poppy campaign is a project, are you offended by that?

I think the point here, is that the white poppy doesn't explicitly say that the red poppy is explicitly pro-war.

It has concerns (you may or may not agree with) about whether the ceremonies as a totality of remembrance day have changed to become associated with pro-military (and thus indirectly pro-war sentiments), but that is not the same thing as some seem to think it says.

right, couldn't read through every page but has the Op came back to say what her daughter has decided?

Yes Begonyabambot, her DD has decided to not attend.
OP you should be proud of you DD and I hope the school respect her decision.
It is the right choice as she was asked to represent her house, if she felt unable to represent the views of the majority it was right to ask to be allowed step down,

thanks canyou!

good decision, what's the point of her being there if she feels like that, totally defeating the purpose. Though would have been interesting to see what the DD thought of this thread.

Rita you are on thin ice. If you can interpret that in any other way you are wilfully misunderstanding. Very weak indeed.

Anyhow, I guess you agree with all the rest? That you think the remembrance service condones war?

And look at the OP -- the girl thinks the poppy condones war. Noddy thinks so. Lots of people think so. And the more people wear the white poppy, the more people will think so. You can at least make an effort to know what you're doing and thinking when you choose it.

I always viewed the wearing of a red poppy as a symbol of the blood spilled in war. Thus we reflect, and do our best to avoid war in the future

I have yet to see anyone with a white poppy!! I am also highly suspicious of anyone who wants to 'educate' me. I prefer it to be a 2 way process and am not paying money for it-whatever the message.
OP's DD took the sensible decision.

I have never seen the red poppy as a symbol of blood spilled in war.

I have no problem with raising money for the things the Red Poppy raises money for

Where did I say that Please stop quoting me when it is bollocks.

Wow I think I just found my stupid quote of the day!

''I would say that the UK is unusual for fighting wars because they are doing it for a just purpose and not with hatred-probably because we are an island''.