to get DD a white poppy to wear at a remembrance service?

[GallumDrawnAndQuartered]

She is 14 and has been selected by the school to represent her house at their service.

DD is vehemently pacifist and anti-war.

Rather than her get in trouble for refusing to go (which is what she is planning on doing) would it be unreasonable for her to go but to wear a white poppy instead of a red one?

And that would be 'fuck'.

altinkum - there is a general rule of thumb which runs along the lines of - the less tenuous my hold on reason and argument, the greater the chance that I will start abusing those that have shown me up.

Calm down, dear.

altinkum Thu 04-Nov-10 21:45:21
Erm No, Trop, you will actually see above it states no personal attacks!

Come and snuggle by me in the nest of vipers...

Darn it -I meant "more tenuous"!

(grumble, grumble...)

Dont know if anyone is still following this thread now that there is clearly a load of shite being written on it..but for those who are www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/11/daily_view_poppy_debate.html

[rocks gently in rocking chair]

sometimes a thread comes along that makes you realise that you really have seen it all before [sucks pipe] back in the day, I was on a debate about this...it was a humdinger, proper handbags at dawn stylee...plus ca change, plus ca change [keels over]

Thanks for the link catholicatheist. Did you read Adam Curtis' blog on Mr. Pink, Mr. White?

Trop - it is a summary of a variety of views on the red poppy with links to fuller accounts.

yes I did it was very good! Thank you!

I actively dislike the white poppy. It says it represents anti war sentiment thus implying the red poppy does not. The more people wear one, the more politicized and pro war it makes the red poppy seem. Deliberate or careless, who knows.

The red poppy is not pro war and I would have worn one on a cnd march, as, I suspect would mist of my fellow marchers all those years ago. I don't like the white poppy, and the aggressive or flippant tone on this thread who promote it has confirmed me in my determination not to wear one. If a servicemen or woman wears one, I respect it: not otherwise. Certainly on a fourteen year old at a remembrance service it would look ridiculous.

As a point of information, as far as I can see, the only people who have been aggressive on this thread are some of the most anti White poppy people. The white poppy supporters have quietely defended their position, in the face of insults, misinformation and ill informed assumptions. As has often been the lot of pacifists.

Well that's not true. That's almost mendacious.

OK - examples please?

As a white poppy wearer, I have been called disrespectful, rude, ignorant, attention seeking and a cunt. To list a few.

Just off the top of my head I can remember ignorant, blinkered, handwringing, bullshit, fuck off, sheep and so on. Elephants stands out as not lowering herself.

Yes I just read back a little, and there's loads of it.

But only after much provocation and being called cunts. The abuse of white poppy wearers started 6 posts into the thread.

No it didn't. And one person said cunt and no one echoed it. And there wasn't "much provocation". And "disrespectful" is not abuse.

And as far as I remember, "you did it too" and even "you started it" something you will see even if it's not there do not encapsulate the essence of pacificism.

The tone of the so called pacifists has not been calm, quiet and peaceful at all.

Really, I don't know why you can't come up with something other than a poppy. It's deliberately set up in contrast to the red poppy, thus implying the red poppy is pro-war. In fact one poster said it did just represented a sort of "backslapping", I can't remember, militarism or something like that.

Also, if it's abuse to call people ignorant.. why did you?