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to think that the Goverment's plans for Social Housing are disastrous

256 replies

donkeyderby · 19/10/2010 14:59

Are beloved Govt are talking about charging 80 - 90% of market rents for social housing.

I'm not in favour of ridiculously low rents for council tenants, but won't this simply place thousands more people in the Housing Benefit trap of not being able to afford to work?

Uncontrolled property prices have contributed significantly to our society of haves and have nots and private rental prices must be keeping so many people chained to Housing Benefit. The average price for a 3 bedroom property in our area is around the £1000 per month mark. How can that be affordable to someone on a low wage? Ditto £900 PCM.

How will this work apart from going back to some Victorian era of cramming families into one bedroom?

Gin anyone?

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ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 19/10/2010 23:46

'They@?

ME. ME M E

Or, my kids.

Won;t be touched? We're already down a fair bit financially.

NAS has cases of people being refused benefits for ASD becuase theyc an pick up a pen (totally irrelevant; ds3 can pick up a pen- can;t stay in our world for mroe than ten minutes though)

How dare you tell me my life isn't relevant to this: It is. Hb cuts affect the disabled as much as anyone else. The cap might not (not that it is anything to do with us, working and all that) but the HB changes DO.

CardyMow · 19/10/2010 23:47

Won't be touched? Bollox! They already have! They tightened up the criteria for DLA in JULY this year, just as mine was up for renewal. I no longer receive DLA. Despite having on average 52 epiletic seizures a year. Now you have to have more than 104 seizures on average a year. Yet no-one will employ me personally because I am a H&S risk due to my uncontrolled seizures. If you think disability benefits won't be touched, you're as barking as you seem to be. Because they already have been since the Coalition got in.

AND they are reassessing everyone on incaacity benefit over the next couple of years. If those two measures aren't targetting the disabled then WTF is?!

threetimespink · 19/10/2010 23:48

Yeah

Boris is not stupid - he needs extra concessions from the treasury and votes to get himself reelected, he is not an MP

Nobody will be homeless unless they wish so - that is don't want to move out of Chelsea and Kensington to Hays and Harlington

What is wrong with this people?

3 workers commute from Reading to London totheir jobs because they cannot afford London

and they subsidize with their entire taxes 1 unemployed single mum to be housed in zone1

Madness and waste

expatinscotland · 19/10/2010 23:50

I want to know how all the moving about has 'affected your children's schooling, three?'

It's obviously had a severe impact on pink's tenous grasp of economics and literacy, unfortunately.

Disability benefits have already been touched.

Everyone who receives DLA, non-means-tested and not related to seeking work, since it is awarded to groups of people who cannot work (children under 16 and very elderly) is being re-assessed at present.

Everyone in receipt of ESA is also being currently re-assessed.

Housing benefit caps will be introduced. This effects those who are disabled.

Hello? Is anyone home?

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 19/10/2010 23:51

Working single mum whose chidlcare gets scrwed up as she moves out of area, and whose ExH gets away with no maintenance becuase there are no plans to increase chadsing absent fathers.

The report I read wasn;t Boris, it was a leftie source IIRC (based on the fact that I tend to read the Guardian); so what, Boris and the lefta re in cahoots now?

With the NAS and the other disability charities I guess?

CardyMow · 19/10/2010 23:52

What about people outside London with high rents? We could move 30 miles away, where rents are much cheaper. But DP's commute to work would involve 2 trains and a bus each way, with the first train not leaving early enough (from that rural train station) for DP to get to work, and the commute would cost 55% of his entire take home wage.

expatinscotland · 19/10/2010 23:53

The lights are on
But nobody's home!
Cerebral cortex
of styrofoam.

The lift stops on the first floor
The head's an apple
But where's the core?

expatinscotland · 19/10/2010 23:54

Loudlass, I think he should pack it in, go on the dole and then please, please come back here and just rub it in that pink's paying for you to live the life of Riley :o.

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 19/10/2010 23:54

In fairness the first reasseessment is on adult DLA, kids come later.

However, ds1's runs out in the Spring and he will be under the new system: that scares me. DS1 is exceptionally, to be blunt, dangerous.

DLA is in no way linked to ability to work; it is simply a benefit to cover the costs of disability. Plenty of people work with disabilities that qualify for DLA, a mate of mine is doing his degree with quad CP- he uses eye gaze I think to type his essays. He already has a business at 18.

but his chairs etc are not coverd by funding.

threetimespink · 19/10/2010 23:56

All I can see in this questions and responses is an utter wall of entitlement mentality which stopping just short of "I am the Queen of England hand me the keys to Buckingham Palace"

We leave in England, not in the times of British Empire when half of the world worked for us

I can see by these responses that some people are really in for shock therapy

In socio-economic terms there is only one alternative to what is coming up - a fascist dictatorship, but thank God we don't live on the continent

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 19/10/2010 23:57

Anyway I am pakcing it in and off to bed; another unpaid 20 hour shift after all tomorrow, have to visit the ASD Comp as well as the rest.

Thanks goodness we are not in England and have a barrier between us and the Tories in many areas.

CardyMow · 19/10/2010 23:58

ANd yet adults with disabilities that find themselves unemployable due to H&S regs, aren't necessarily entitled to DLA. Apparently 52 seizures a year doesn't carry any extra costs...lke bed guards, kettle tippers, special pillows that prevent sufocation, bed alarms due to risks of SUDEP...Confused

expatinscotland · 19/10/2010 23:59

I don't live in England.

And half the world is still working to support every single developed nation in the West.

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 19/10/2010 23:59

I don;t live in England, actually.

And frankly given that state care for a chidl with autoism costs £2000 plus a week includingc are plan, and I get £56 a week in carer's allowance, I reckon I am pretty good value for money already.

So take your insults, go out and experience a bit of real life isntead, drop teh bigotry.

AKA, fuck off.

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 20/10/2010 00:00

Anyhow Pink-

LL and my family ahve disabilities

You said this wouldnt affect disabled famillies

you say we are in for shock therapy

You need to get some consistency, woman!

CardyMow · 20/10/2010 00:01

Entitlement mentality? DP works FT. DP pays tax. How the fuck do I have an 'entitlement mentality'?

I just think this is going to sound the death knell for those of us who are trying to do the right thing and stay off the dole, but are trapped in a low wage, high rent area. Never mind, eh? We'll just go and starve in a cardboard box in your garden shall we TTP?

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 20/10/2010 00:02

Never mind LL, viva la revolution and all that.

CardyMow · 20/10/2010 00:04

The rent would be cheaper, renting a cardboard box in TTP's garden. [hgrin]

CardyMow · 20/10/2010 00:05

Unless she lives under a bridge and eats goats for breakfast?

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs · 20/10/2010 00:07

Thnk she may do just that LL

What a shame she encountered the ones who are working on here when she wanted to spit her bile eh?

darla1969666 · 20/10/2010 00:17

If you need a home, then your circumstances should be looked into. However, if you have a home due to the benefit system then your case should be tracked. My next door neighbour is a single man living in a three bedroomed council house with a garden. It makes me sad that I know there are families that don't have a home that have to live in bed and breakfast's when this person could be moved into more relevant accomodation and his social housing given to a family that needs it.

I just wish morality could win the day.

nappyaddict · 20/10/2010 00:46

Is it 400 a month they are capping HB to? Is that for everyone or just people who need a 2 bed place? Because that would cover the rent of a very small amount of 2 bed houses in my area (not particularly expensive) and that's it.

ScaryToadsAndHobgoblins · 20/10/2010 01:29

£400 a week, nappyaddict and I'm pretty certain that is for any size property.

nappyaddict · 20/10/2010 01:39

So it's basically going to be back to Victorian times and families of 6 cramming into one bedroom.

I am a lone parent on minimum wage. My income including tax credits is 258.25 a week. Finding that extra 200 a month for rent would be difficult, but probably doable. However I only need a 2 bed place. I don't know what I'd do if I had more than one child.

nappyaddict · 20/10/2010 01:40

Oh hang on, 400 a week. That's loads!! Round here it is capped at 480 a month. Does that mean we will get more as of April?