to think that the Goverment's plans for Social Housing are disastrous

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Are beloved Govt are talking about charging 80 - 90% of market rents for social housing.

I'm not in favour of ridiculously low rents for council tenants, but won't this simply place thousands more people in the Housing Benefit trap of not being able to afford to work?

Uncontrolled property prices have contributed significantly to our society of haves and have nots and private rental prices must be keeping so many people chained to Housing Benefit. The average price for a 3 bedroom property in our area is around the £1000 per month mark. How can that be affordable to someone on a low wage? Ditto £900 PCM.

How will this work apart from going back to some Victorian era of cramming families into one bedroom?

Gin anyone?

So where the fuck do you propose that we move to? Where are there jobs for unqualified people that left school at 16, and have always worked, albeit in shit jobs that pay min wage? DP works as a hospital kitchen porter. He earns £16K pa. We move...he's unemployed you dingbat. Would that be preferable to him working FT and paying tax?

hindsight is a wonderful thing is it not.

as is the presumption that people didn't have a nice life, then a partner died and it all went to shit

or their house was reposessed becuase of the bankers

my point is that there are people who did think about their cicumstances and life got in the way - you can't plan for that shit.

BUT YOU are changing the course of the conversation completely.

now your argument is what? forced sterilisation until the bank account hits £3k before having kids?

what is your argument, becuase you WERE talking about economics. loaves and bakers, and now your talking rubbish, a fantasy of what ifs.

no one on here is going to argue that we would all love for our tax money to be spent on fuckers who churn out kids and just can't be arsed. no one is going to argue that.

but my argument is that those people are a minority.

so what happens to the rest of the people who have jobs, low paid, there are no houses

and your suggestion is to up roots, make themselves intentionally unemployed?

If I didn't why would I be on mumsnet

Houses get reposessed because of the buyers' greed and financial illiteracy, not because of the bankers

plenty people are here who dont have kids, those who are planning to or who are trying to concieve, or who just like stimulating conversation.

most of us don't discriminate against posters becuase of their personal circumstances, ironically

ANd if you are earning a lot of money when you 'have your fun' and then (like me) get diagnosed with a disability that BARS YOU BY LAW from working in the field you were earning a decent wage in before...DO you kill the dc you had before that point?

If you (like some others on this thread) have a good job, but then have a dc with a disability that means you have to give up your well paid job to become their carer...Do you kill that dc?

Does no-one in your rosy fucking world suffer from bad luck?

riddle me this.

in 1993 i bought a house, we were married, we had children - jesus H christ we could have been a poster family for Jhn Majors govt.

then the intrest rates went up to 15%

whose fault was that?

Well I hope you are right pink, because the stakes are high. It's not just a few loaves that will go rotten here. We are talking LIVES.

Children WILL be made homeless, at least in the beginning, because landlords will not want to change, and often cannot afford to reduce rents.

THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF RENTAL PROPERTIES. Reducing HB and increasing social rents will not change this. Supply and demand is what controls the market, not people's ability to pay. People will pay through the nose if they are desperate enough. If I was faced with a belligerant landlord who threatened me and DS with eviction, I would pay by any way I could, even if that meant I couldn't afford heating, electricity, and food. Even if I had to sell my body on the street.

And moving 11 times in ten years had no effect on your children? How many different schools have they been to?

Come on then, three:

what should we, as a family have done differnetly?

When Dh became very ill years ago (typically 2 weeks before a ds was born so I was on mat leave) we ended ups elling teh house to finance private rent anmd clearing all our debts

he enver gave up work, he went back as soonas their OT allowed him

When ds1 was fdiagnosed and I couldn;t work any longer, I did my degree around caring to secure better prospects

WHen ds3 was also diagnosed I have been stuck unable to either find work around his SNU hours or when I did get teh interview, to get childcare. These mythical resurcesa? nah, we don;t qualify: SSD report says we are too good parents.

We moved into a new country to do that degree, DH commiuted across the border.

DH got a better job, did it for five years, was amde redundant becuase company decided to focus on enw area.

Dh signed up to retrain and started his own business.

We ahve enver been without work, we save the company a fortune getting by as best as we possibly can.

Tell me, what have I done that makes us so- disposable?

Or you work hard, get a good job and in the meantime house prices, and rents, skyrocket to a point that your income has no chance of catching up with. That's happened to plenty of my friends and would have happened to us if we hadn't been very very lucky. After all that hard work, do you just resign yourself to life in a bedsit without a family? Really?

Oh, and where are my manners, three?

Welcome to Mumsnet

A whole two days. Blimey.

You know three, even Tories generally ahve emptahy with disabled, carers, even working poor (i said generally LOL- not all).

You'd have to be very right woing I think to have none.

I don;t wish you could experience what iot's like to have two children diagnosed with a disability becuase I woudln't wish that on anyone, but I do wish you get a milld virus that magically enables you to feel some empathy.

Then you might realise that not everybody has equal life chances and some of us have done pretty well to cope with what we have been dealth with, all considered.

OOoops I mean scary [hgrin]

If it weren't for the DV / Sn threads there would be such an argument ATM for a delay between people registering and posting wouldn't there?

Maybe SN and DV could be excluded from that, would be a good thing but then I guess the trolls would just target the more vulnerable instead.

But you know what they say- every time you feed a troll, God kills a kitten. Bloody scrounging kittens with thier cute faces and no jobs, never paid a penny NI in their life. Grrr.

Nobody will be forced to live on the street

Rents will be forced down and

people who made it a choice not to work will be forced through economic incentives into work

because the bottom line is per NuLab treasury minister - there is no money

Britain is not an economic superpower and country finances have been raided by incompetent people

There is no money, neither for the Landlords, nor for the tenants

There are people in need, but Labour encouraged in good economic times people who needn't to go or stay on benefits to be there

8 million!!! in receipt of benefits and just 28 million to provide for benefits AND for pensioners

There will have to be a major price re-set downwatds

Don't worry, after tomorrow, kittens will be CUT.

Fluffy bastards.

Thank you lougle

I did mean you, and very many other people on Mna s well; ExPat, Mam, Riv just to begin.....

The list could go on.

it's teh drive not to be a complete drain that kept us fighting yet somehow that has lost its valifity now. Strange ebcuase those tories I do know think we have done alright. Even Gideon has put some safeguards in place, after all.

And I note that TTP hasn't responded to my comment at the top of this page where I stated that we have 2 choices, We live where rents are expensive, DP works. We live where rents are cheap, DP is unemployed. Why no response TTP? Do we not fit your stereotype of social housing benefits scroungers?

I want to know how all the moving about has affected your children's schooling, three?

Rubbish; people will be forced onto the street, even Boris suggests 17000 with the first HB cut alone: a suggested 400000 after the second round apaprently.

Yes there are people who choose not to work: nobody on this thread has anything in common with them. Go advocate policies that target them.

Disability talk is a blatant cheap and nasty distruction from the topic

you know full well they won't be touched

Cheap and nasty!

11 moves in ten years must cause a heck of a disruption to their education. Are you sure it's not going to affect their chances of getting good exam results and a good job...because otherwise, they could end up in the same situation as me...

Teth I would be amazed is she / he moved post children, at least more than once or twice. DS1 OTOH has moved 3 times; and absolutely it upended his education. Given he has a TA, next time it wouldn't just be him, it would be somebodies job: ditto for ds3.