I now know I'm right about little girls and the hijab.....

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talking to a beautiful Somali lady today(they all have hollywood smiles don't they, bloody genetic miracles!!) and she confirmed that whilst her 5 & 7 year old dds don't cover their heads she gets harassed and pressured by men at the mosque that her dds should cover. She said that whilst she doesn't because she loves her dds hair, other women do cover their very young dds. She said the men also say that unless they do it from very young they will not do it when they are the right age!

So it's not only about copying Mummy, just like the rise of the burka it's a renewed stick to beat women with.

We are British born. That is the nationality, not ethnicity. Ethnicity is blood. And why would I give up citizenship? I love this country. Still doesn't make me English. How can I be when my parents grandparents blah are all Italian?

They are mixed ethnicity, basically.

Do you all want me to say I'm English or something? Cos I won't.

If ethnicity is blood, then NO-ONE is English. The English as an ethnic group don't exist.
My Dad is Dutch, I am British. It means I get to support loads of people in the fottball/Olympics/Commonwealth Games.

Thankyou boooooo(how many 'o's are there in this) that is what i was asking, especially would like to know what spikey thinks my DCS ethnicity is (Scottish Dad,English Mum)and how far down the line would it take for their offspring to become English?

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I think we want you to see how ridiculous it is to be "insulted" at being seen as English when you were born in Britain, live in Britain, work in Britain and have chosen to raise your children here.
If you moved to Italy would they assume you were Italian or British?

"The Burka has to be banned, to free these women!"

I'm not sure that being told what not to wear is any better than being told what to wear. Either way, women's choice of clothing is compromised.

I don't want you to say you are English,but i DO want you not to be insulted if someone thinks you are because then i feel that you are insulting my country...It's not such a terrible thing to be English.

Your children are mixed. It doesn't just refer to race. Mixed heritage. I don't know how far down the line, because I'm not far down any line myself. I am Italian, British born. Ex is Turkish, British born. Children are mixed, British born. If my son marries a Chinese woman and has children, those will be mixed. And so on. If my mixed Chinese grandchildren marry Chinese people again and reproduce, and then they do, and then again, they would be Chinese going by their parents and granparents, but they would still have mixed blood.

I agree with clemettattlee.
I'm not English - I'm a Heinz 57
Welsh father (with a Scottish paternal grandfather), dual nationality mother (native American/English. I was born in Europe. My children have an English father. They class themselves as English but they are really one big mix.
I'm British first, European second.
I get loads of choices of who to root for in the World Cup/Olympics etc

Spikey,

It's just that being 'insulted' at being thought english sounds like you don't like the english. As I said, I understand this as I grew up in Scotland and there is a lot of perhaps 'light hearted' anti - english sentiment. It's quite immature and silly really.

what if your dc married an english person and had children, born in england. would you consider them english, considering they are now 3rd generation born in england?

So we all have mixed blood then,... of course you are far down a line,you have ancestors,your parents may be Italian but where did your Grandparents come from?....no doubt you will say Italy....and their parents?...and on and on and on....

They would hear a British accent and still assume I'm Italian, because I am. Why are people so threatened by values being kept? Do you want everyone born here, regardless of heritage, to just become English? A lot of my values are Italian (I won't be listing them). Really don't see what the problem is. My children are obviously accepted as half Turkish by the Turkish community here. Should they dismiss them as English?

Oh,just remembered,DPS Great Grandparents were from Ireland....are my DCS now Irish?

My DC are not English, so their DC would be mixed, regardless of where they were born. Sameway, if they were born in Turkey to my child and an English woman, their English blood wouldn't be dismissed.

just maybe not be 'insulted' to be thought english as that implies you are anti-english. No one cares what you want to call yourself. I think you just phrase yourself badly.

Why on Earth would they assume you are Italian if they heard an English accent

ah ok. i see.

So are you telling me you think I'm English then? Why? I'm not. Are Pakistanis that were born here English? Saudis? Irish? You can't dismiss heritage and ethnicity like that.

Because of my name and appearance, that's why.

Bored of this now - probably because I don't give a shit about "blood" or heritage. These things don't matter to most people do they (or am I just in the liberal left minority again...?)

they don't matter to me either clemette, i am who i am now, not who my parents were.

Well, phrase myself badly, whatever. I don't care what anyone says, thinks of me, or my posts, or my ethnicity, or anything. Call me English if you want