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AIBU to want to stab XP's eyes out with a rusty nail, and give his new g/f a good shake every time I see them?

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portaloo · 08/10/2010 22:25

I am so Angry!!!

Ok, to cut a very very long story short, my XP almost ruined my life in every way possible. He almost left me and DC homeless, ran up huge debts in my name, trashed my car, humiliated me in front of friends, my DD left home because of him, he gambled thousands away, was violent to me, lots more, but it was the financial mess we were in that made me stay with him for so long, until I eventually realised we would never get out of it together, and I would be better off on my own. It has been 5 long years of penny pinching since we split. During that time, he has broken into my house when I was away and stolen £600 in cash, various other items, which I reported to police, but due to the financial strain I do not have contents insurance and so cannot replace them. Angry
I arranged for HA to secure the window he got in through, and tried to put it behind me. Sad
XP always made himself to be a victim, ahhh poor him, NOT!!!

He has a list of X g/f's who he has treated all the same, the stealing, lying, being a massive financial burden etc etc.

We have a DD together.

XP is in training for world's worst father. He has bought 5 items since my pg. He has DD every other weekend, and asks me to provide practically everything she needs during that time. He seems to pick up none of the responsibilty at all.
XP is not welcome at my home at all. I do not trust him in the slightest. He picks up DD from the end of the road, and returns her to the end of the road.
Despite not darkening my doorstep, he has the audacity to ring me to ask if he can come to see DD at 8pm. Confused He knows DD will be in bed. He rings me to tell me something apparently important, and makes lewd suggestions, asking me to take him back. Obviously his g/f has no idea of this and it makes me angry on her behalf.
He uses DD to keep the door open between myself and him. I think he knows without DD I would have nothing at all to do with him!!

I am still resentful that I am paying off debt he caused and he is now duping his next g/f and living a scot free life.

He pays no maintenance.

Now XP has decided that whenever there is a meeting that has anything to do with DD, he will be there (fair enough) and so will his g/f. Confused

So far, his g/f has accompanied him to the courts, the hospital in the middle of the afternoon when DD fell out of her highchair, and every pick up and drop off.

Now I don't know this girl well enough to like or dislike her, but she has even knocked on my door for a cup of tea and a chat Hmm to discuss XP having more access to DD. I tried to explain to her that XP didn't see DD consistently and I felt he had enough opportunity to see DD, which he rarely took up. She then launched into a diatribe of how awful it was that XP is unhappy until I asked her if he had set her up to ask me for more access. She said No. I listened to her moaning about his 'awful' life for a long time, then I told her that XP was a liar and a thief and he had played her for a fool if she believed his sob stories. I told her in great detail how he had ruined my life and would do the same to her. She just gazed at me with this demonic smile. I told her he had treated all his g/f's within the last 10 years the same. I don't think she believed me.

As far as the access goes, My problem is that XP loves an audience. He seems to be as close to reasonable as possible when there is only him and me. As soon as anyone else is there he will whisper shit to me to try to wind me up, preach to me about parenting, ask me about every (and I mean every) mark or scratch on DD. Since his g/f has been present at access handover, and all other appts, not only does XP do his best to wind me up to verify to his watching girlfriend that I am indeed a loon, she sits in the car grinning inanely at me. She looks like a cross between the Joker and the Cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland.

I am getting mighty fucked off with it now tbh. I do not understand why when I am obviously getting annoyed with XP, she is grinning at me. I do not understand why she insists on being the receptive audience. I do not understand why she is letting XP take her for a ride, and why she cannot see that this jobless twat (he's out of work again) who his employer sacked for theft, is not Mr Wonderful. She has already had a relationship with an EA before XP. I do not see what my DD's hospital and nursery meetings have to do with a girlfriend he has not been dating for 6 months. I wish XP would fucking see DD regularly, and love her like I do, not as a means to get to me, I hate XP for the shit he has left us in, and the fact I will be paying it off for a good ten years more. Angry Angry Angry I would like to see him suffer but how will he when theres always a woman waiting to put a roof over his head, hot food in his stomach and money in his hand. Grrrrrrr.

I wish she would back off from attending everything relating to DD, so arsewipe XP didnt have a bloody audience to play up to and humiliate me in front of, and he would grow up, but I feel that if I ask her to back off, she will think it is because I want him back which is what he always tells new girlfriends.

Help me control my anger. If I see that inane grin one more bloody time, I am not sure I will be able to control myself.

I know this is not logical or rational. I don't feel very logical or rational. Sad

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StewieGriffinsMom · 08/10/2010 22:36

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bethjeff · 08/10/2010 22:44

Ohhhhhhhh my god. I'll do it for free if you provide the rusty nails.

He is a horror. CSA all the way!

portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:03

I really thought I was going to get flamed. Blush

Thank you for understanding.

XP and I went to court last week, where my barrister said she thought it unreasonable for me to object to XP's girlfriend being present wrt meetings etc concerning DD. Barrister's advice to me was 'Don't look when girlfriend is grinning'.

I have contacted CSA, who have said that whilst I am welcome to apply, due to my XP changing employment so often, and not staying with one employer for more than 6 weeks, it would be virtually impossible to trace him and make him pay any maintenance since it takes an average of 13 weeks to trace a NRP through HMRC, or something like that.
XP never lasts more than 6 weeks in a job, and never ever signs on.

He doesn't sign on the JSA because he will not verify where he lives, because he is usually living with a woman who claims to be a single parent, and who is claiming single parent benefits. Sad

To this end, his girlfriends do not disclose that he is living there with them.

I know this latest girlfriend is claiming WTC/CTC/HB/CTB as a single parent while XP finds his feet, going to take a long long time girl, because she told me that herself. I do not begrudge her a penny because I know she is going to need it. I feel so Sad for her DD. Sad

I am trying to arrange 3rd party handovers, but none of my family or friends trust themselves to do it without lamping him one. Sad

DD has a hospital appointment next week. I am dreading it!!

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ImNotBossyBoots · 08/10/2010 23:05

I agree with SGM, as a step parent ( of a damn sight longer than 6mths) it is absolutley none of my business what happens between my DP, ExW and his children.

Me and DP ExW actually get on quite well but it is still his place and her place to go to school / nursery meetings either separatly or alone and up to them to make sure the kids are sorted.

Stop all contact and do it via email so you have written proof. I would also agree a diary is the way forward.

Congrats for posting on here rather than taking your frustrations out on them in RL as it would make you look like the bad person when you are obviously not.

Good luck xxx

portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:09

Barrister also advised XP in court to only contact me via text message or by calling my mobile. Hmm

I can't understand the difference between him talking to me on my mobile as opposed to my landline.

I have to wait with my DD in a bloody carpark (barrister's suggestionHmm)

He hasn't seen DD for 2 months now, and I am loathe to hand over any belongings tomorrow in case I don't get them back. He has already wiped me out of so much. He sometimes threatens to force me, via the police, to hand over DD's bed, because he bought it. (Well, he bought the frame.)

I want to just take DD in the clothes she is wearing, obviously wearing a coat and shoes, and let him provide what she needs. He is the one who wants to see her.

I have asked him to buy her a pair of shoes and a coat for 18 months. He was earning £3K a month before his employer sacked him. He has never bought DD shoes or a coat. Sad Or anything else she has come home with tbh. Sad

Any more tips for handover tomorrow??

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StewieGriffinsMom · 08/10/2010 23:11

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bethjeff · 08/10/2010 23:13

I would go ahead and open the CSA file anyway. So that he is on the system and liable for something seeing as he seems to get away with murder!

From the sounds of it he is not doing your dd any favours, especially with his attitude to you. That is so damaging for her to grow up seeing that and possibly thinking it's normal.

IMHO this is tantamount to abuse. I wonder if it would be worth having a solicitors letter drafting what is and what is not reasonable behaviour to yourself and your dd. And that if he wants to participate in your dd's life then he should have to contribute.

And fwiw, I would shop his latest girlfriend to the tax people so that he has to contribute and he is getting pressure from yourself and her.You do not owe her anything and she has no business attending anything to do with your dd.

The sooner she realises he is up to no good the sooner her and her dd can have a normal life together without interfering in yours.

I am so Angry that you have been put in this situation

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portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:17

Thank you ImNotBossyBoots.

It is good to hear from a step parents perspective too. I actually feel so sorry for his g/f, but at the same time, I don't want to rock the boat between them, in case she kicks him out. I just know he will stand outside my house in the pouring rain, hoping I will take pity on him, like he has before.

Previously, I have ignored him, and he has always ended up at my neighbours house, in floods of tears. Neighbour feels bad, lets him in, then can't get rid of him until I agree to talk to him. No pressure there then.

Last time I ended up sorting him out in a night shelter place, then a homeless hostel, until he met this g/f.

This time I want nothing more to do with him.

My poor poor DD is going to grow up and realise she was duped by him too, into believing he loves her, when really she is nothing more than a pawn in his fantasy war with me. Sad Sad Sad

I dread the day this dawns on her. She deserves so much more. Sad

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portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:22

Thank you everyone. I appreciate all of your replies.

bethjeff

The court order states that neither party is to denigrate the other party within the presence or hearing of DD. I explained to my barrister that this did happen on occasions, and she said there is very little the court can do about it. Angry

I will definitely be phoning CSA on Monday morning after reading all your thoughts.

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bethjeff · 08/10/2010 23:38

That is so unfair. If these rules are put in place for a reason and are not upheld and they refuse to do anything about it then what on earth was the point in it in the first place!!!??

I have been googling like mad to see if there are any organisations that can help you but I'm drawing a blank. I'm sorry I can't be of much help.

He is so manipulative, (which I've had experience of but was lucky enough to get away...far away) it really disgusts me that people cannot see right through him.

terryble · 08/10/2010 23:50

Hmm, that bed, and other things of your daughter's... Might they not, perhaps, actually be legally your daughter's property?

I believe that if a set of parents get into debt, bailiffs can't take the children's stuff in payment. It seems to me if bailiffs wouldn't be legally able to repossess that bed, then by extension, he can't take it away from your daughter. Ask your solicitor about that.

portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:50

I have to admit to being extremely frustrated that some other people cannot see through him either. Sad

His g/f spent some time telling me about her verbally abusive XP before she met my XP. I thought once bitten, twice shy, but clearly not in her case.

At least his family have seen the light, even though they wont admit it, they have very little to do with him, prefering him to be in a relationship so they dont have the problem of having to help him out AGAIN!!

His siblings hate him, he has no friends, not even one.

His ex employer says he is a thieving lying twat, and he has a string of vile spiteful girlfriends.

It appears none of this has rung any alarm bells in his g/f's head.

G/f also brings her own DC to most pick ups, where her DC sits in car with her, looking out the window at me slowly losing the will to live.

I did ask the barrister if I could pick my DD up from g/f's house to prevent XP coming anywhere near mine.

Apparently, g/f was not happy with me going to her house at all, because she has a young DC whom she wants to protect from my possible outbursts. THEN WTF ARE YOU BRINGING YOUR CHILD TO DROP OFFS FOR?????

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portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:54

terryble I wont allow XP to take anything more from my home. Spoken to my solicitor about that, since XP was getting in the habit of bringing the police to my door to retrieve more and more belongings.

He called the police to my door so often, it was actually addressed by the judge in court and he was warned not to continue calling police on me.

(It's because the police are free.)

He has not taken any notice. Sad

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portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:56

Similarly, I do not give a shit whatsoever when I see the police on my doorstep now. Grin

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SolidGoldBrass · 08/10/2010 23:56

If he goes to your neighbours again and refuses to leave, tell your neighbour to call the police and have them remove him. Cut all contact between this man and you, do not respond to any attempts to communicate with you that are not a) via email and b) to do with contact with DD.

bethjeff · 08/10/2010 23:58

I have my head in my hands here.

I have a spare bedroom do you want to move in?(only half joking).

In these cases it seems like everything is out there to protect his rights as a father, there's nothing to protect your right to be treated like a human being.

His new gf is clearly off her head if she's not only putting up with him but taking her dc to drop offs.

This might sound OTT and I have no experience of this myself, but if you were to get a social worker involved and they were aware of these problems could they supervise visits and enforce rules regarding pickups in an official sense etc? I am saying this having absolutely no experience of any of these organisations before but his behaviour makes me sick to my stomach. That way it wouldn't be a case of his word against yours and you could be sure of his behaviour in front of your dd.

portaloo · 08/10/2010 23:59

Good advice SGB.

What are your thoughts on pick up/drop off when I have to face him and g/f? Or appointments where we all turn up and him and his g/f sit entwined whispering and giggling. (OK, g/f giggles and XP whispers)

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portaloo · 09/10/2010 00:02

bethjeff I feel for you, I have had my head in my hands for years.

We did have a social worker visit when we first split, due to some outrageous allegations XP made (when he realised it truly was over between us).

Maybe I will give the social worker a ring on Monday too.

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bethjeff · 09/10/2010 00:05

If you have a lovely social worker then it might be a good idea.

Do you have two hand prints on the sides of your head constantly Wink I would imagine that I would by this point!

You clearly have the patience of a saint!

tutu100 · 09/10/2010 00:14

I think it sounds like you should change barrister. Your barrister doesn't sound very helpful at all.

I agree with the other posters who said start the claim with CSA don't worry about him changing employment often, that is their job to worry about and whilst they are chaisng him, he is running up arrears.

Can you just not tell him when your dd has appointments? For hospital ones you can refuse to have the GF in with you.

portaloo · 09/10/2010 00:26

bethjeff What a sorry mess this all is. My social worker, while nice enough, was of the belief that my XP was a broken man who only wanted his family back together again. SW sympathised with XP, tried to understand him.

XP has a way of remaining calm and cool, and so perpetuates the belief that it is I who is unhinged and irrational.

tutu I only tell XP about the more important appointments, like when DD had an accident falling out of highchair. This was on solicitors advice.

My solicitor is quite understanding, but she appointed a barrister to represent me in court. It obviously didn't go well. Sad

My case will be costed and filed away now since the court date has been and gone.

We only went to court to vary the court order since XP ignored the last one, and I was trying to (once again) be amicable.

Now it is seen as done and dusted.

I just can't seem to control my anger when faced with XP. Sad

At one point the barrister asked me what I would ideally like, and I'm afraid I did myself no favours by saying 'In an ideal world, DD would not see him until she was old enough to make her own mind up, and would not be taken in by his lies, failing that, concrete boots and the estuary sounds like a satisfactory outcome, because I wish he was dead. Sad'

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portaloo · 09/10/2010 00:27

I am my own worst enemy when it comes to XP. Oh Lord give me restraint tomorrow please!!

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scottishmummy · 09/10/2010 00:30

what on earth did you see in him?good patter?good in sack?were you trying to reform a player

ChippingIn · 09/10/2010 00:30

((HUG))

I honestly don't know how some of you cope & how you resist the urge to put your ex's in the veggie patch, I really don't.

The others have covered pretty much everything, but I would dress her in Primarks finest, cheapest shoes etc you can get (it's only for a few hours!) and keep a list of things not returned after visits.