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to take out my dc who has the pox?

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sleeplessinseatle · 29/09/2010 18:21

Obviously not to playgroups etc, but I've got a baby at home and don't think I can cope otherwise. Is there anywhere we can safely go where there won't be lots of kids/pregnant women?

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thefirstmrsDeVere · 01/10/2010 20:46

AIBU to be a bereaved mummy?

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frasersmummy · 01/10/2010 20:53

count me in too..

banana87 · 01/10/2010 20:53

If it were me I would stick to the back garden or park in the light rain, or perhaps even a walk in the woods as that is likely to be deserted as well. Though with CP, I doubt the child feels very well, so lots of cuddles and Cbeebies sound like a good idea.

psychomum5 · 01/10/2010 20:59

sassy and mrsdevere, sadly some people will never have the ability to empathise with you. You are walking the path we all fear to tread, it is our greatest terror. For some it makes them unable to see past their own lives. I feel sorry for them. I feel sorrier for you, you beloved children have gone, there is nothing we, or you, can ever say or do that will change that, or make it easier to bear.

I understand the terror, I have been a breath away from being on your path. Fortune so far has been kinder to me. But I can imagine your pain, I have seen it, I have looked into that black hole, and I hope never to have to again.

please know that there are many many more mums that empathise and sympathise with you than you will ever ever know. It is small comfort, but offered from the heart.

thefirstmrsDeVere · 01/10/2010 21:06

psycho I had wonderful experiences on MNs. Really, heartfelt, lovely things said to me and about my DD.

I know that people care. People have gone out and given blood because they have read about my DD. They have run races and signed up on the Bone Marrow Register.

We do know that people are kind.

Some people are utter arses. They just want to be right. They dont care who they trample on to prove their rightness.

I do take comfort in the things people say, I do appreciate the time they take to post when I am screaming into cyberspace. Smile

psychomum5 · 01/10/2010 21:17

I am glad....it would be a sad world if it were made up more of the people who lack compassion.

FWIW, I too am on the bone marrow register. I also used to give blood....have been unable to since having the children tho....too anaemic most of the time now!

arses · 01/10/2010 21:31

Oh my God! I actually felt my stomach lurch when I read this: ""Look, there are no guarantees with anything. It's understandable, when something terrible happens, to try to make it someone else's fault, so you can hate them, but sometimes shit just happens"

I am sorry if repeating it upsets you Sassy...

I don't think that there is any excuse for being like this just because some of us have never lost a child and can't understand.. of course we can't understand, you know? But that is NO EXCUSE.

I have never lost a child and you know, the posts of those of you who have sometimes scare the fucking SHIT out of me. You all know there are no words for it in a way that I can't explain: "nightmare" is a paltry and inadequate word for your anguish.

Sassy, your case in particular frightens me beyond anything I have ever come across on line. Because your Catherine's death was just so, oh, so indescribably almost ridiculous. What a crap word, can't think of another though.. No one is supposed to have a healthy child die of a common childhood illness, it just doesn't happen... but of course, it does and it happened to you and it is so unfair that it should have taken your Catherine and be so minor for others. Or you Shabba, to have lost two sons.. and in the different ways that you did..

Your stories are like a wake up call to any of us who think that we can insulate ourselves from death. I could be a bitch to you or be empathetic with you, I could be a watchful mother or a neglectful one, I could wrap my child in cotton wool or let him run amok.. and no choice that I make will protect me from walking in your shoes.

So people just go silent or harden themselves to it.. but that is so WRONG!

It is no excuse to be hard. Or harsh. People need to face up to their fears here and separate those from their treatment of real bloody human beings who are suffering. Each and every one of us could be a mother who loses a child and we will be so every day for the rest of our lives. The risk never goes away, you can't make it go away by being an utter cow: it wouldn't be "better" if a child died at 0 or at 10 or at 34 or at 67 and it most certainly wouldn't be "shit happens".

I am so, so sorry for each and every loss of a child that has been mentioned on this thread. I lit a candle at York Minster today at the St. Nicholas' chapel for all of you. I wish it didn't have to be so, I wish you could all have this taken away from you.. but at the very bloody least, I wish that people wouldn't be cocks out of fear in such a heartless, thoughtless way.

QuickLookBusy · 01/10/2010 21:36

"Some people are utter arses. They just want to be right. They dont care who they trample on to prove their rightness"
the firstmrsDeVere you are so right!

I have seen many threads on MN where someone upset and worried has asked for simple advice, and then been bombarded with bitchy cruel, sarcastic and nasty comments. And they do not stop- because they know they are right!!

This thread has restored my faith in MN. I am just so sorry that it has meant that mums have been made so upset by disgusting comments.

Thankyou so much Sassy and everyone else who has shared their stories. Well done to you and everyone else who stood up to the arses. It bloody well needed to be done!!

QuickLookBusy · 01/10/2010 21:38

arses Am not refering to you! Grin

SassySusan · 01/10/2010 21:42

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deemented · 01/10/2010 21:44

Yes, but the arses that have been stood up to wouldn't lower themselves to come back here and apologise. That would mean having to admit that they aren't in fact, perfect.

But i'd bet my bottom dollar that they're reading and wayching this thread. Their egos wouldn't keep them away...

arses · 01/10/2010 21:47

I know, Sassy Sad.

That is what frightens me, not you. That it is so random and inexplicable.. always so, whether it happens one night or after a long illness, it is random and inexplicable.

I guess that was what I was saying, maybe not very well. Death is everywhere and there's no way of protecting yourself or those you love from being affected by it..

So people shouldn't think that they can by pretending not to see the suffering it can bring. Does that make more sense? Because that just makes people cocks.

SassySusan · 01/10/2010 22:12

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ILoveDonaldDraper · 01/10/2010 22:19

jesus this is by far the worst thread I have ever read on MN!!
Some of the things people have said are utterly, utterly despicable. I won't rehearse it all, but just wanted to post and say that I had NO idea that CP could be so dangerous, and that as a soon to be first time mum (due next week), I am extremely grateful that people like Susan have been brave enough to share their experiences and educate some of the rest of us as a result. The fact that others responded the way they did is horrifying. If you aren't allowed to be forthright and emotive in your views on MN about CP 5 months after your otherwise perfectly healthy child has died of it, then what is the point of MN?

AvrilHeytch · 01/10/2010 22:25

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smallwhitecat · 01/10/2010 22:27

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Tippychoocks · 01/10/2010 22:28

Oh goodness. I have read the entire thread through floods - in fact I think I have washed a contact lens out so apologies for my typing.

I cannot begin to say how brave you three ladies are. Your stories scare me (selfishly) to the core, make me want to run and clutch my DD to me forever and, if it were possible, hug you all. I am so, so sorry and so admiring of your strength.
I wish I were brave enough to venture over to the bereaved board once in a while to offer support but I am scared of intruding and a coward. Perhaps I need to re-think that.

smallwhitecat · 01/10/2010 22:30

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thefirstmrsDeVere · 01/10/2010 22:43

OH FFS!

What are your frightened of?

Do you think Sassy is going to come and get you?

I am sorry but really, get a grip.

She has more important things to thing about.

Its ok for you to be upset that this thread has not gone well for you. These things happen on MNs. Its NOT ok for you to suggest that Sassy is a pyschopath who is going to track you down.

Have a break, come back, noone will care. Even this thread will be forgotten.

You are not hated. You have upset people. Dont make this about you. It doesnt help.

Honestly.

PixieOnaLeaf · 01/10/2010 22:46

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Northernlurker · 01/10/2010 22:49

I think Avril may be referring to Sassy's blog posting from today not to anything on here. I don't see how she could help but take that personally.

arses · 01/10/2010 22:54

Oh dear.. I feel really stuck here. I sort of know Avril in real life. There are RL issues.. that maybe make all of this a bit thorny. I don't want to say what, it's not my place.. but this is very sticky.

Sorry Avril. I hope this isn't posting too much.

DameGladys · 01/10/2010 22:59

I've lurked on this thread and it has changed my understanding. I wouldn't be cavalier about cp as I might have been before reading this.

There are bound to be more like me - it really could have made a significant difference.

Cold comfort though I know.

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