HIV in nursery

[worriedperson]

AIBU to worry about this?
The guides I have read all say there is no risk of infection as long as proper hygiene procedures are carried out.
However, the staff, although good in other ways, are not that hygiene-conscious, for example, they send children home in wet pants, having not noticed they have had an accident.
Is there any real risk of catching it?
Also, what if one child bites another?

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/HIV/Pages/Introduction.aspx

NL she is worried (As she explains) because the staff at her nursery do not generally appear to adhere to proper hygiene procedures.

It's in the OP.

how old is the child in question? its not even properly detected till about 18 months anyway. very few are now born with hiv in this country,plus if it is its well managed.

Also how is 'calling someone' on their ignorance going to help? It might make us lot feel clever but if they don't know, they don't know and at least they are making the effort to ask.

What would you rather she did? Sit at home, withdraw her child and assume what she suspects MIGHT be the case IS the case? I probably would because I know if I posted it on MN I'd just get the shit kicked out of me for being 'fick'.

To interject - I honestly would be concerned about this nursery for reasons outside the HIV risk ( however miniscule)

a nursery where sensitive information has just 'got out' worries me
A nursery where children are left in wet pants worries me
It wouldn't reassure me that my children were not left in wet pants. I think leaving a child in wet pants speaks to an attitude of disinterest and poor professional standards.

I agree Paggy.

Ladyanonymous hate to disagree with you but HIV is not usually transmitted by injectable drug users.

You have correctly linked to the Terence Higgins Trust, but it states that

"The transmission of HIV through sharing equipment for injecting drugs has remained at relatively low levels in the UK. This is due primarily to needle exchange programmes and other harm reduction programmes, such as methadone maintenance.

In 2008, people contracting HIV this way accounted for approximately 2.3% of the total cases of HIV that were diagnosed."

I apologise I meant Hep C KC......and I know the 2.3 thing as I went on some really good safer injecting training last month

sorry stewie

I am appallingly slow this evening. I keep missing stuff

Unions on the march, cuts in public services, ignorant paranoia about AIDS.

Fuck me its the 80s all over again.

Feel sorry for the mum though and the child...horrible to be gossiped about in this way esp if the rumour is true

I can't believe so much ignorance still abounds about HIV

Flight - she does know the answers - that's in the op 'The guides I have read'. Suddenly the hygiene's been ok to this point but now because it's HIV it's different? Either it's good enough or it isnt. It's absurd to suggest that people shouldn't point out if a person is seriously and (potentially harmfully misguided) Sometimes people are wrong.

NL the OP asked whether she should be concerned.

She doesn't know the answer.

People have jumped on her, it's not excuseable IMO.
You don't cure prejudice or ignorance by attacking it. You cure it by answering questions.

I thought that was a given.

Does anyone understand leaflets? We got sent a 'medical' one by the council the other day and it was totally sh*te.

I would rather ask on here than rely on a leaflet which I may or may not understand fully.

YABU unless your toddler is indulging in unprotected sex or IV drug use. Maybe pop a condom in his dungarees?

I agree that the OP only asked a question, sure there are a lot of prejudices about HIV but if people are fearful of asking that breeds more ignorance.

She has every right to ask.

Sure she has the right to ask. But the original tone was a little, "HIV is a dirty disease and this nursery is a little dirty so should I be worried". And it showed a certain lack of concern about the blatantly obvious hygeine issues that should concern any mother (or person for that matter).

OK she clearly needs informing that HIV has absolutely nothing to do with cleanliness.

But people swearing at her and projecting the idea that she had seen an African family at the nursery? Just horrible.

What will that achieve?

Skihorse that's grim, really distasteful. Yuck.

I feel sorry for the child. He/she's going to have to face prejudice for the rest of their life (however well meaning)

Bling I would surmise that what you quote is your interpretation of the tone of the OP. Mine was quite, quite different.

I think sometimes people see prejudice because they expect it. And it gives them something to rail against..

Hypothetically we can all be judgemental about questioning hygiene practices regarding HIV, but I bet if it was YOUR child in the same circumstances, there'd be a teeny bit of you saying "what if..." regardless of how remote the possibility was of your dc catching it.