to believe some if not all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories

[mrsunreasonable]

NOTE: This is not meant to be offensive and if you suffered as a result of 9/11 you have my deepest sympathies it was a terrible event however it was caused.

Having watched a few documentaries on the conspiracy theories I am partially if not completely convinced all was not as it seemed. The fact that many witnesses that saw/heard things that didn't tie in with the official version have since died in suspicious circumstances doesn't help!

During the Blitz, plenty of possessions survived intact in bombed houses. While other possessions (and people) were destroyed. Nothing unusual about some stuff surviving while other stuff is obliterated.

CheerfulYank, if your government were completely innocent, why did they fly the Bin Ladens out?

I watched the crashes live, I was sat in my living room pregnant with my first baby. I watched the plane crashing into the towers, then I watched the second all on live streaming. I cannot tell you how amazed and filled with sorrow I felt. I learned later that a school friend had gone into work early that day and died. Initially noone knew who was behind it or that the buildings would fall. The twin towers design assisted their collapse, the heat that blasted through the columns almost melted them from the inside out. I don't think the terrorists could have predicted this either. If there were explosives within, why were they there? They weren't. If a government were willing to sacrifice the Towers and all of the people inside, which they didn't, they certainly wouldn't have let their emergency staff in too.

Conspiracy about the pentagon seems more likely, but I really don't know enough about it.

Carmen - the US government reaction to the twin towers may have been imperfect, that's very different from saying they caused it.

(Cynical reason for flying the Bin Ladens out would be their business links with the Bin Ladens.)

Sorry, business links with the Bushes, obviously.

Oh can't you just extract the bit about the passports and tell me. I can't seem to open links on my phone. don't feel you must i'm not that bothered. I won't think it's not there if you don't.

On what grounds detain all those people? That's a violation of their human rights - guilty by association.

But Eagle, Architects + Engineers for 9/11 Truth are a huge group of experts who are verified and independent. Why are they so readily disbelieved? How independent are the investigators.

I didn't say that the governement was innocent, carmen, though I don't think they caused 9/11. I said that the people who died were innocent.

Or, upon re-reading my post, that's what I meant. I'm not sure about the bin Laden thing, will read it and get back to you.

Edam, I didn't say they caused it.

I just say all is not as it seems. I think it highly likely they knew about it in advance. I think it fairly likely they sought to use this knowledge to their own advantage. I don't find it likely that they 'did it' though.

Expat, if you're talking about the Bin Ladens, they didn't just 'not detain' them. They sent a govt. funded jet out to pick them all up from around the country and evacuate them.

Lots of stuff was found immediately in the wreckage. Jason's rucksack. He saw laptops cases there on the ground without a scratch on them.

Before he started to run towards the bridge (when he stopped he realised there were thousands of people running all next to him, and that he was also covered in soot and his own sick although he has no recollection of having been sick) he saw documents fall to teh ground that contained private information about all kinds of people - statements of account, a beauty therapy license, personnel/HR files.

In fact, he can give you a blow by blow account of the morning he went to work only to be evacuated from a burning building and then stood on the street and watched our friend and former colleague die in the next building.

The only theory I believe is that the fourth plane was shot down by the US government. And for good reason.

And yes, the Bin Ladens were not detained they were evacuated, Carmen is right.

Obviously there is corruption, bias and probably criminality rife in most govnernments in most countries but 911 theories do not add up to me at all.

there is something rather ghoulish about this thread

i wonder how many conspiricists are motivated by a desire for the truth

and how many just like a juicy theory, and feeling like they know something important

just seems a bit vulture like to me, grim

those of you with 'the truth', just what are you doing about it aside from posting your inside scoop on some uk parenting site

chibi - I agree

Carmen, if you think the government honestly knew in advance about this, when it royally fucked the economy (it never fully recovered, we'd be having a bull market for years before that, it was grand) and cost tens of billions of dollars and still continues to cost unbelievable sums of money (the security measures alone have cost staggering sums) then I really don't have anything to say to you, I don't.

And I don't understand why you're still living there, tbh.

I haven't read the link, but I imagine the bin ladens were evacuated as they were high value commercial contacts of the us at danger of reprisals due to a relative being a very probable perpetrator of an atrocity.

Agree chibi, conspiracy theorists can't handle the truth and like to think they know better, of course if they had all the "real" answers i doubt they'd be posting on mumsnet, or maybe they fit a bit of m'netting inbetween working for the CIA and being james bond ?

plus, all these theories are about 8 yrs old anyway.

Coalition. I have asked for your post of 09.11 (interesting timing?) to be deleted. This us the first time in over five years here I have asked this of mnhq. You have taken freedom to express an opinion way too far. Perhaps it will go quicker if you make the same request?

Appletree Seeing as a lot of other posters are already debunking the conspiracy theories and being ignored, I figure there's no point me engaging.

ddt - that is of course you're right. Mnhq can decide ba sed in the context. I still think one of the motivations behind some of the theories is racism.

Racism and us exceptionalism. I don't think that is necessarily the motivation of any of the posters here, but it is if some of the groups that promote the theories.

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, due to the amount of people saying 'no conspiracy theories are just that etc etc blah blah blah.

WTC1, 2 & Building 7 were brought down controlled explosion - Why was Building 7 even brought down, it had no damage, bye yet acccording to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper. The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.

GWB and the american government decided to attack the WTC because of a Feud in which GWB father George Bush had against Irag BUT George W Bush and the rest of his family are friends with the Bin Ladens, there are even pictures with GWB and his father stood with the Bin Laden family.

Also - WHY did the owner of the towers Larry Silverstein change his insurance of the buildings to include Terrorism on 11th August 2001??

the buildings were riddled with Asbestos and would cost millions to replace all beams. - Insurance job with the help of the government?!

There were building workers working in some of the floors banging, drilling etc etc for up to a few months before 9/11 - no one allowed to look in to as what was happening, even the lifts were changed so that they wouldnt stop at them floors.
This was then rumoured to be the workers putting in of the controlled explosion work.

When the tower 2 was hit, people in the underground shopping centre and carparks and people in the lobby described what sounded like a Bomb going off in the lobby, all the windows smashed out and the lobby was in pieces, yet 2 floors above and the windows were in tact.

Also on the planes that flew into the buildings, underneath there were packages strapped underneath that exploded on impact with the nose of the plane - what are they??

What about the Pentagon? apparently a 757 hit that building? Wheres the plane? Wheres the wheels of the plane? A plane does not disintegrate into thin air.
Why were all CCTV of the highway where the pentagon is confiscated by the Government and destroyed?
Because those CCTV images do not show a BOEING 757 JET PLANE hitting that building - it was a missile or a bomb.

The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down, BUT on the area where it 'supposedly' came down, that damaged ground is visable on a NASA picture in 1990, plus there were no signs of a wreckage of a plane to be found at that site.

Goodness knows what happened to all those people on those flights, but if they did die then the American Government have a lot of explaining to do when this all comes out.

So my conspiracy theory is The American Givernment got together with al qaeda to destroy America. Also promting the idiots that copied the events but on the London Underground.

Well Done America

I think there's certainly something in the fact that many people cannot believe that a group of fundamentalists led by a guy who lives in a cave managed to outwit the CIA, walk thorugh airport security armed and hijack 4 planes BUT actually, when you look at what airport security was like, it's not THAT unlikely (maybe 20% chance of success), definitely less unlikely than many of the conspiracy theories.

The book "Black Swan" offers some good insights into the way in which people are not well programmed to anticipate hiterhto unseen events, so even though something is entirely possible, if it hasnt happened before, we automatically consider it to be almost impossible.

Also why invade Iraq if GWB blames Bin Ladens? Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia - Not Iraq!