to believe some if not all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories

[mrsunreasonable]

NOTE: This is not meant to be offensive and if you suffered as a result of 9/11 you have my deepest sympathies it was a terrible event however it was caused.

Having watched a few documentaries on the conspiracy theories I am partially if not completely convinced all was not as it seemed. The fact that many witnesses that saw/heard things that didn't tie in with the official version have since died in suspicious circumstances doesn't help!

Appletrees - what do you think is being covered up?

God - Bush senior even kowtowed to Syria in the weeks after lockerbie despite significant intelligence that Syria was behind it, and not Libya. never followed up.

An election was fixed, for pete's sake.

Bush snr ended gw1 after 100 days for the pr kudos - his son was simply finishing off the family job.

Gosh don't you question anything coal?

have you heard of PNAC?

In a situation where Bush/Chaney/Rumsfeld were involved I would believe just about anything and 9/11 really suited their agenda rather nicely.

Those three were the real "axis of evil"

That is quite some rant sgb, and definitely slots nicely into the rest of the thread where the ranters and abusers have certainly not been the ones asking questions. They've been the defenders of the official line and they've got themselves ever so worked up, just like you. I think there's a little bit of spit in the corner of your mouth.

Can I just repeat for the record

"it gave the USA a reason to blunder into the Middle East" - no it didn't. Afghanistan is not in the middle East but in central Asia (quite a long way away) and has infinitesimally small oil reserves.

For the ranters

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

if anyone described my Central Asian DS as Middle Eastern I'd think theywere slight bonkers. But they don't. Becasue he isn't.

What was the BUsh/Cheney Rumsfeld agenda wrt Afghanistan?

some info on the Pearl harbour debate from wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate

Kew, very fair point but it is of a part in getting US bases set up the the region although they seem to now realise that Afghanistan is a lost cause as the USSR found out previously.

New can you write cheney pls

Kew, in regard to Afghanistan to stop it giving shelter to terrorists and to put in a puppet government.

They did not seem to have the same problem with Saudi sponsered terrorists, for the life of me I cannot see why other than the oil and money of course.

Afghanistan is enormously strategic, hugely important.

SGB, so we must always always believe the government?

Frankly it would have been easier and cheaper to bung Uzbekistan some cash to host a US base there. Corruption there is rife and it would have been a great deal simpler.

Even Central Asian commentators don't seem to agree exactly why it would be imprtant for the US to have a base in Central Asia other than a vague "oh to compete with the Russians".

Not a convincing argument for the elaborate conspiracy of 9/11 - in my very humble opinion obviously.

"in regard to Afghanistan to stop it giving shelter to terrorists" - yes but they didn;t really care much UNTIL 9/11 - giving much more weight to the argument that the bombing of Kandahar was actually genuinely in reposnse to Bush being pissed of with the Taleban supporting Al Quaeda.

I don;t see why its an argument for a consipracy - sonce when has Bush needed much rationalisation to do what he wanted. It only took a few lies to invade Iraq, no apparent needs to conspire a fake Iraqi attack on US soil.

I have no doubt at all it was terrorists but how much info the US government/security services had and how much effort was made to stop it I have to wonder.

the conspiracy theorists say it is for the oil pipeline, the heroin and its strategic position next to Iran and Pakistan. It was where the Great Game was played out, and there is now a new Great Game.

Personally I have no doubt there was a cover up (not a conspiracy) because teh administration completely dropped the ball. It was obvious to me from teh way they reacted in the initial aftermath that they were completely unprepared.

And didn't they manage to pick up the ball well; Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq, mission accomplished, although no great investigative journalism about the oil reserves and ongoing partage and exploitation so far.

Yes. The CIA were involved in 9/11.

The 1973 coup in Chile on 9/11 where the democratically elected President Allende was overthrown by the US backed dictator Pinochet, which lead to the torture, imprisonment and murder of thousands.

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IMO, the US govt has done enough evil, you don't need to make up any conspiracy theories.

SGB That quote about "We only have to be lucky once, you have to be lucky always" , it is real and was made by the IRA after the Brighton Bombing.

I agree that sneering is cowardly.

I'm not sure about the whole right/left wing thing because I'm very left wing generally.

I don't know what the proponents of some of these ideas are.

I don't think you were sneering Kew. However considering you are friends with these people in MI5 and so on, what strikes me is that were they actually to share the real goings on with you, they would probably have to kill you, and they don't want to have to do that

Just joking.

Expat, I would never sneer at you for your ghost stories but somehow believing in, or considering the merits of a conspiracy theory makes me a nutter worth nothing but your derision.

Neither of us has any evidence.

I think I owe some people here an apology. I didn't mean to imply that the pro-conspiracy people on this thread are racist. But after re-reading what I wrote I can see how what I wrote could be interpreted that way. My apologies.

I was referring to the people who originally come up with these theories. The people who spend weeks going through grainy video footage frame by frame looking for anything that looks the slightest bit unusual and then concocting implausible theories based on their misinterpretations. Those are the people I believe are often at least partly motivated by a racist believe that you'd need an American to pull off something that massive.

Expat it's you guys, you and two or three others, who are getting worked up, seriously worked up, all wtf-ing and ffs-ing and name-calling and abuse and anger. I would agree time to step away from the computer for a moment. I understand you will still be angry and sad about what happened nine years ago but nobody on this thread did it, and you don't have any kind of prerogative to dictate what people say about it.