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to want my PIL to stop pressuring me about visiting them 9 hrs away alone with 2 toddlers?

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teaandcakeplease · 23/08/2010 20:01

This is going to be quite a long one but I really have to get this off my chest and I need some sympathy, truth be told and if you have any ideas on how I can deal with this that I haven?t tried already, that would be great.

Bit of background; my H and I are in the process of a divorce as he has chosen to forsake me and the 2 DCs for the OW. I did want to work things out, however he couldn?t and didn?t want to end the relationship. The divorce begun in April, it?s fairly amicable, no arguments as yet over anything and the decree nisi application was submitted to court on 17 July. H comes and sees the DCs twice a week, sometimes 3 times and is great with them, plays with them etc. I do have a thread on here about the sorry saga from a while ago, so some of you may recognise me.

My PIL have owned a large house in Montrose for many years, MIL bought it just after I started dating her son and they have recently chosen to sell their house down here near me and relocate to Scotland. They wanted to save more for retirement and it made sense to sell one of their properties. Truthfully it is difficult to imagine her retiring and she has said that she has no intention to for at least another 10 years, she works in Switzerland and comes over to the UK once a month for a weekend, sometimes stays longer. So my FIL actually lives without her most of the time. But they needed to sell a property to save for retirement and have done that.

The property in Montrose was being let out as a holiday home previously but they weren?t earning as much as needed to cover all the overheads as I understand it. So they decided now was a good time to sell up and relocate. MIL grew up in Montrose and wants to retire up there. Ever since I?ve known her I?ve always understood they would retire up there, it?s naturally their decision of course and I?m fine with that. What I am not fine with however is the fact that ever since my FIL moved up there every time he rings me to see how the GCs are, he always asks without fail ?when am I going up there to stay for 7 days?? MIL also whenever she sees me asks me the same. I feel almost bullied and pressured to go and stay for 7 days, every time they see me, as no matter how I try to explain things, I cannot get them to see my point of view. I want my DCs to have a good relationship with them and have said that if they can just wait a while longer, they?ll both be older and easier to manage in a car on longer journeys but right now as they?re both so young it is a lot to ask and it would be far easier for them to pack a small bag and come down to me instead and are welcome anytime.

I?m a lone parent now, with a 3 year old DD (just turned 3, I might add) and a 19 month old DS, their son has left me for a 21 year old, Montrose is 9 hours drive from me, if the traffic was good and I didn?t stop at all on the way up there and they expect me to pack up 2 toddlers, travel cots, ready bed, bedding, toys (as they have none up there), buggy and all the associated paraphernalia you have for 2 toddlers and drive on my own up there. My friends are lovely but all work full time or have families of their own and wouldn?t be able to come with me to help. My parents are elderly and aren?t able to offer to keep me company on the long journey either. When I try and tell them how stressful it would be to do it with 2 toddlers on my own. They then tell me that my H can come up with me. We?re in the middle of a divorce, yes we?re managing to keep it amicable but they do not seem to understand that it?s not appropriate for him to come and stay with me and the DCs for a week in Scotland. Not that the other woman?s feelings truly concern me but I?m pretty sure she wouldn?t be too impressed either, if H went away with his soon to be ex wife for a whole week. I sometimes think H?s parents haven?t quite grasped the fact we?re divorcing. MIL insists we just need to be grown ups about this and come up together to see them regularly. My DD has only just gotten used to the fact that daddy doesn?t live with us anymore and it would be very hard for her if he came with us for a week and then at the end, left us again. She?s so young and she still doesn?t truly understand why he no longer lives with us. I don?t want to confuse her or upset her and I know it would. She spent months crying and whimpering ?daddy gone, daddy lost? the last thing I want to do is confuse her again.

The thought of trying to drive at night with them instead, has crossed my mind but it would be too dangerous and I?d fall asleep at the wheel. I suppose I could arrange to stay in a B&B on the way up at a half way point and then finish the drive the following day? But it?s too much to ask of a daughter in law with 2 toddlers on her own I think and unfair. My DS gets fed up in his car seat after a while and I have to pass toys back to him regularly. I?ve tried story CDs, Kids music, great for DD, DS doesn't help Sad I can time naps for the car journey I suppose as that?d help but he?d only sleep 90 mins in the day max in the car. So the rest of the time would require toys being passed back etc. My DD has only just been potty trained as well and I need to take her to the loo often to avoid accidents. I suppose I could put her in pull ups for the day? However it all comes back to the fact it?s an awful lot to ask of a DIL when they chose to move 9 hrs away, their choice and their son has left me to cope on my own. I keep saying it?ll be easier once they?re bigger and it won?t be long, I?m sure by next Summer it won?t be so bad to do it but they do not seem to take my point of view on board at all.

FIL called last night on the phone yet again and asked and dismissed all my concerns again, I felt so fed up as this has been going on since last October (he only finally moved 6 weeks ago and has already seen the GCs twice since then down here) I am always polite about it and keep trying to tell them how much easier it would be if they could just see me down here for now but they just do not let it lie. It all seems so unreasonable to constantly pressure me to go up there. MIL is often in the UK on business and it?s always in London so she is able to see the GCs lots anyway. FIL often comes down here too. I cannot see why they cannot take my pov on board. As my door is always open to them but I just want to wait until the DCs are slightly older to go up to Montrose on my own with them. As it is it would be a tough week and not relaxing with them and I know that. Life?s so hard with 2 toddlers, a divorce going through and money worries without this constant pressure from my PIL to go and stay in their lovely house. I?m sure the DCs would enjoy it of course but I just wish they?d listen to me and wait until next year. They chose to move 9 hours away from both their sons and their grandchildren and now I feel like they expect me to up sticks whenever they ask to go up there, when this wasn?t my choice or decision. I am also 100% certain that if I do the journey once they?ll then assume it?s no bother and expect me to go up there everytime MIL takes time off work, so I feel like I?m stuck between a rock and a hard place right now as I do not think I can win either way really, as they do not appreciate what they?re asking of me and what about if I ever meet a new man and he wants to do things with me and the DCs? What about when I return to work and only get 20 days holiday a year? What about the financial costs, the petrol is a lot too? If I could just agree to go up twice a year that would be ok I guess, if they came to me the rest of the time but I cannot see things being that straight forward, having known them now for 9 years Sad

So what would you do in my situation as I was nearly close to tears last night when FIL yet again put me under pressure to go up there, as I?m about fit to burst with frustration now. Life is so hard right now, coming to terms with my marriage being over and being a lone parent with 2 toddlers Sad Are my requests unreasonable?

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Rycie · 25/08/2010 11:20

Hi tea,

Have read the whole thread, and I remember you well from your previous posts. I just wanted to say how much I admire your attitude in general, I remember how difficult things were for you with your STBXH and his issues, and how determined you are to provide a loving environment for your children and I so admire your resilience to all of this.

Its also great to see you talk about the future so optimistically - you've mentioned that one day you'll meet someone else, go back to work etc. You've had such a tough year and are coping far better than I would.

In terms of this particular issue, obviously I wouldn't even consider doing the trip that has been suggested, but after reading your description of your trip to Zurich with your MIL I must say I wouldn't consider a week with her anywhere. She obviously has no respect for you as a parent, and it is just completely unacceptable that she imposes her views on childrearing on you like that.

So as other posters have suggested, I wouldn't commit to going to visit them at all - you don't need to, you are not beholden to them. Your MIL might like to think she is captain of the universe and your boss, but she actually isn't. They can come and see the children whenever they like and if you feel like going up there in a few years then great, but do entirely what suits YOU.

teaandcakeplease · 25/08/2010 11:28

Eye still sore but not as bad.

Like that note Clams, I've written it out and put it by the phone.

Spoke to STBXH today, his mum repeatedly asked him about Scotland whilst he stayed with her, and how she wanted the children to enjoy the house. So frustrating that she will not take on board any of our concerns or pov Angry

He said "you'll end up alienating her and she'll want to see you less" and she said "well that would be her decision then". H said "well actually it'd be yours, if you keep pressuring her". I didn't ask him to say that but it was nice he did, even if he is an ar*e and has left me for another woman. Least he understands and backs me up on this situation.

Seeing her and FIL on 10-11th Sept so send me strength on those days...

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teaandcakeplease · 25/08/2010 11:29

Hello Rycie, haven't seen you about on mumsnet for ages! You gave me such amazing advice on my thread when I was struggling to end my marriage, I quote you.

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wouldliketoknow · 25/08/2010 11:35

tea, he might be a**e, but is really good that you can support each other re dcs, i predict a happy childhood with dad involve.
you are so great that you will meet someone really nice, if there is any karma.

teaandcakeplease · 25/08/2010 11:40

Yeah he is supportive of my decisions on DCs and does see them often, so that is a relief and one less thing to worry about. I am lucky on that score.

Better be Karma. I deserve something good after last year Grin

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Rycie · 26/08/2010 10:14

Hi Tea, good luck with your in-laws, do let us know how it all resolves.

I notice that even on this thread you really listen to people and take on board what they say, and whilst this is a really good quality in many situations, bullies like your MIL will always take advantage of it.

I look forward to hearing how it all works out! And yes, you do deserve something good after all you've been through!

teaandcakeplease · 11/09/2010 09:26

Today is D day with MIL. She now wants me to go up for 7 days over Christmas with H and DCs as well. STBXH will be working and cannot go and would like to just come by mine on Christmas day for a while. Which I am more than fine with.

He has just moved yesterday into a house where he rents a room only, so it is easier for him to come here for now anyway and we do get on amicably now a days anyway, so it should be a pleasant day. So I suspect there will be ructions about that as well Confused

Send me positive vibes ladies whilst I try to learn to be assertive today.

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Bonsoir · 11/09/2010 09:46

I've just read this thread for the first time - OP, you have my every sympathy!

I suspect that your PILs wrote a fantasy script about their future life in Montrose when you and your family went to visit them several times a year. They haven't yet come to terms with the fact that you aren't prepared to be cast in the part as you would wish.

To be truthful, your PILs sound almost dysfunctional.

MangoTango · 11/09/2010 10:12

Sorry not read the whole OP (nor any other replies Blush I think you insist that you alternate. ie They come and stay with you and then the next time you go and stay with them BUT They buy a travel cot/ other baby paraphernalia for their home to enable you to go up on the train or even fly without having to take everything. Actually that would be a bit tricky and pricey too wouldn't it. I was thinking it would be easier to entertain them on the train, but i suppose it might be hard for them to nap and might be hard for them to sit down for so long anyway. Would flying be too expensive/tricky? Hmm maybe if they are not listening to you you write to them and explain how hard it would be to drive toddlers up there and say that if they wish to see the children please do take up your offer of staying with you until they are older and better able to manage the journey

MangoTango · 11/09/2010 10:19

Just been reading back through some of your other posts.

"MIL when I finally came out of the room calming DD proceeded to lay into me and claim DD wasn?t tired and that babies just go to sleep when they?re tired"

Crikey what bollocks!

Careybliss · 11/09/2010 14:06

YANBU. I would say "it's nice of you to offer but I'm not as patient as you so I can't even imagine in a million years traveling with small children. You are more than welcome to come here for a week, I can send you some hotel brochures to help you choose somewhere to stay if you like. The children would really love that".

It does sound like they are putting their own needs above yours so you need to be firm, otherwise you'll find yourself putting yourself out and then as soon as you've made the effort the pressure will be on again to make another trip. DO NOT feel guilty. You do not have to justify your decisions to them. Start as you mean to finish. I think you probably need to be a bit pushy back or else they will keep it up until you give in.

pluperfect · 11/09/2010 18:00

Sorry, I was a bit confused about your post "Today is D day with MIL. She now wants me to go up for 7 days over Christmas with H and DCs as well. STBXH will be working and cannot go and would like to just come by mine on Christmas day for a while. Which I am more than fine with. "

Are H and STBXH the same? So basically he can't go, and would prefer to see you at home anyway, so supports your not going. If so, that sounds ideal. If I've misunderstood, please do clarify.

teaandcakeplease · 11/09/2010 19:33

PluPerfect yes H and STBXH are the same, we are divorcing. Sorry it probably would help if I kept to one acronym Blush Yes it is good that my H supports me not wanting to go to Scotland for Christmas but that won't stop MIL trying to steam roll her idea across anyone standing in her way anyway Grin

Well after flexing my assertive muscles for weeks and even feeling a little shaky before leaving today, things had a funny way of working out. H has been moving house this week and his mum had been about to help, during the previous days she had consistently tried to push and push her various ideas/ opinions onto him about Scotland, the divorce, the flat we jointly own, Christmas and moving and H had consistently stood up to her during these days. He also never used to but has also realised he needs to. To the point she told him he had no respect when after the ninth time (yes he counted) on her raising and forcing her opinion on one particular idea he said that he hadn't change his mind and wouldn't be doing that. So when she arrived at his this morning after several days of H not giving in, she slammed the front door, H said "please do not slam it, the other house mates are sleeping". MIL told him that he was being rude and she may leave. H said "go on then".

We were all meant to be meeting at a family fun day today. I had a theory that if we were out with the children somewhere, there would be less chance of awkward discussions. The discussions usually occur at mine when we're all sitting down.

H rang me and explained what had happened. I said it's no bother I'll come and collect you. 5 minutes later FIL rings and said he needed the post code again for the venue for his sat nav and that H wouldn't be coming today. I said that he'd rung me and I was going to collect him. He did sound surprised but I simply explained that he hadn't seen the children for 6 days and he and the children were looking forward to seeing each other. I said that I wasn't aware of why plans had changed and I didn't want to know but I'd see him there soon. It was a white lie and I hate lying but I didn't want to get dragged into anything on the phone though or later. When we got there MIL ignored H for the whole time and wouldn't speak to him, so it actually worked in my favour as she was so off and withdrawn nothing was said at all today. So after all my preparing for the worst and finally building up the courage to tackle her if need be and stand up for myself it wasn't necessary. In one way I was finally looking forward to learning to stand my ground with her but on the other I am relieved I didn't have to today. But I am under no illusion that the altercation has been delayed. As it is just who she is like Anniegetyourgun said. I need to buy that book. However I have found all the support on here so encouraging, so thank you Smile

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DutchOma · 12/09/2010 09:10

Well done Tea and well done to H (STBXH) especially

lemonbergamot · 12/09/2010 09:33

Hi

I haven't read the whole thread, (just the beginning and end,) but just wanted to say that I think the journey would also be awful in a years time as your children will still be so young. I would avoid mentioning a visit next year as a bargaining tool and just stick to 'when they're much older'.
Someone else mentioned making a similar journey with a 4 and 6 year old and I think I'd wait untill your children are in that age bracket.

CoupleofKooks · 12/09/2010 09:34

reading this i was thinking that STBXH must stand for "STupidBloodyEXHusband" LOL

tea, i have had similar situation with my own parents (they want us to go on holiday abroad with them every year)
i declined politely several times and explained why it would not work for us (basically we COULD do it, but neither I nor dp would enjoy it, so we don't)

i left it at this, just politely saying each year "no thank" until the pressure increased and my mum started working on the CHILDREN - "wouldn't you like to come and stay with Granny on holiday? this is where we stay. Look at the pool" etc etc

at this point i said "we have explained why we don't want to come and we are not going to change our minds about this. Please can you stop asking and pressuring us because it is creating a very awkward situation. I don't want to discuss it any more - if anything changes we will tell you."

It did cause bad feeling (of course) but she did shut up about it. I think sometimes you have to be very firm and clear when dealing with people who tend to steamroller you

pluperfect · 12/09/2010 14:03

That's excellent news about how you avoided being left alone at home with your PIL, and instead brought the ground of the confrontation back to where they are off balace.

However, all the mental work you did on yourself to prepare for a confrontation has not been wasted. The way MIL was acting to your ex, and the this meeting could have gone seems to show that she will keep trying to find a way to put the pressure on.

It is making her look very bad, very calculating, and, to be honest, should really undermine her power. Her selfishness is beginning to show more and more.

teaandcakeplease · 12/09/2010 19:19

Coupleofkooks I am sure when the children are older she'll try the same.

Yes H and I maybe divorcing and it does hurt that he left me for a 21 yr old but we're both in agreement about Scotland and other issues she's trying to steam roller. Our main priority is the DCs and providing them with a stable home. Her motives are not the same, they're about what she wants only. Neither of us would enjoy going up there together or separately, she is getting worse as the years go by and is selfish, manipulating and controlling in many ways. It's ironic, normally in a divorce I considered the main problems and issues to be caused by the divorcing petitioner. However in this case it's the MIL Confused I'm not spending the next umpteen years with her making my life difficult though if I can help it. I will set up boundaries and learn to be assertive Grin

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teaandcakeplease · 12/09/2010 19:39

Thinking about it, having good quality time with their grandparents should be part of bringing them up in a stable home. However with her toxic behaviour which verges on Jeykll and Hyde at times, H and I always wanted to keep visits frequent but brief with her. Which always worked well when they lived 30 mins away. Now she's chosen to move to Montrose it's scuppered our plans. However she is often in London on business, it should be simple for her to see us when down this way for now and FIL can easily pack a bag and be with me in no time at all. It's a shame I always feel that I need my soon to be ex H to be in attendance when his mothers comes to visit, so there's someone to back me up when she begins her usual steam rolling. This is why I need to deal with it.

As I was getting my lovely children to bed, I realised perhaps my previous comments didn't make complete sense. However with my strinking headache, which I've had for 3 days who knows Confused Smile

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CoupleofKooks · 12/09/2010 20:11

really i think with all that has happened, your priority as you say, HAS to be keeping the children's lives as stable and happy as possible, plus protecting your OWN mental health and making life as easy as possible for yourself
i would be really upfront about this - i know she wants to whitewash the whole thing and pretend you are still together and happy
i would say something like "it has been a dreadful year for us and i am exhausted, the children are only just settling down a bit after all the disruption. You're very welcome to visit whenever you like, we'd love to see you, but I won't be attempting the journey up to yours this year or for the foreseeable future."

if they keep on, just say "that wouldn't work for us" "that wouldn't be right for us at the moment"
guilt trip type statements can be replied to with "i have to do what's right for my family, that wouldn't work for us at the moment"
they try to make you feel like a bad DIL / mum - but you must focus on YOUR needs - if you are ok, the children will not suffer so much

deste · 12/09/2010 21:28

I have only read half of the thread so not sure if it has been mentioned but the train does stop at Montrose.

pluperfect · 12/09/2010 21:47

Yes, you and STBXH keep protecting the children, and when the time comes for granny to start steam-rollering them directly, (a) they will not be used to unreasonable behaviour, so hopefully will not put up with it and (b) you and their father will have so much experience outwitting PIL that you will be able to do a masterclass for the DC in how to do it themselves!

chitchat09 · 12/09/2010 21:57

Op, I have read all of your posts, but only skimmed the others.

I really feel for you. It must be so hard with such demanding ex PILs.

You need to develop a tactic for dealing with the steam rolling.

Something like a light laugh, and saying "oh gosh, you're just being silly/ridiculous" and then next time laugh again and say "You're just being silly/ridiculous/daft again, you know I can't, I've told you why." and just repeat, repeat, repeat. If nothing else it will drive them as batty as they are driving you!!!! Grin

piscesmoon · 12/09/2010 22:16

Why not just let their father take them?

piscesmoon · 12/09/2010 22:18

Sorry-I didn't realise there were 6 pages-so hadn't read beyond the first.