to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

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Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

I have no doubt that Riven has a PHD in neuroscience.

I have equally no doubt that the OP is ill-informed and offensive.

Just asked dd2 as I couldn't remember. borders region has a poliocy of not sending under 16's home without an adult collecting them.She was just sent home alone but last week she was made to stay in school for 2 and a half hours ill until I could collect her.

Oh and hahaha at the naivety of the assumption that post graduate qualifications automatically equate to lexical maturity

I have seen (granted, sensationalist) progs on tv about the diagnosis and treatment of children in the US which has made me extremely uncomfortable. However, having been through various assessments when DS2 was driving me to drink being extremely challenging, I have to say that every doctor, nurse and psychologist we met only ever wanted to get to the bottom of DS's problems, and were extremely reluctant to 'label' him in any way. I very much doubt that there are children up and down the country being medicated to the eyeballs just because their parents can't be arsed. Any child that I have met with a dx has a very real issue. Oh, and maybe the reason it 'seems' like there are more children about with these conditions is because we no longer shove them in to institutions and pretend they don't exist.

"Genetic eh? Ah, so it IS the parents' fault then!"
Disgusting.

A friend of mine has ADHD, is not "obnoxious, loud" or "defiant" and didn't need the diagnosis to excuse herself or her upbringing (which I have no reason to believe was anything other than excellent).
"Restless and fidgety", on the other hand, would be an understatement and she needed the diagnosis in order to understand her condition better and in turn complete her studies in biology at Cambridge.
Oh how I wish she was a MNer as she is, however, "defiant" enough to kick you right off your high horse.

I missed that comment about if it's genetic it must be the parents fault, so helpful not I spent years blaming myself until I realised it's nobodies fault just one of those things some people really have no idea.

Thassit. I've had e-fucking-nuff of this place now

Not another of these threads/idiots. There seems to be one of these every week at the moment.

Do us a favour OP and take your bs elsewhere.

Glitter.
Is it not at least a comfort that the twat op arrived and posted hoping for a barney, yet has been met by a tidal wave of posters who can help but notice that she is a cock.

She? I thought it was a 70 year old bloke.

Anyway I am only back here for the large scattering of biscuits.

Glitter - don't go, it's a troll.

actually I agree Flight. For some reason I think op is a bloke too.

But I do love that Op is, without awareness of the irony, concerned about the rise in the obnoxious....

adhd can take YEARS to get a diagnosis on and before they even consider referring a child to a specialist for ASSESSMENT a parent has to prove they have been down the route of parenting classes, dietary management, etc etc etc. It is a nightmare process and only an idiot would think that someone who is diagnosed at the end of it actually made it all up.

Oh its a bloke, I'm sure.
An old bloke,
One who normally dwells on the comments section of online papers.

Genetic eh ? Ah, so it IS the parents' fault then!

Now this one makes my blood boil. And not because you're saying it OP. I got this from someone who was supposed to be helping me out from PIP (Parents in Partenship). So she was a supposed professional who knew her job! And it was the first thing she said when I explained my dd condition.

My DD has a genetic condition (and ADD and ADHD and yes, you can spot it in the MRI so no, it's not in the head of the psychologist or parent (me)) and no it's not inherited.
Genetic does not equal inherited. The way it was explained to me was that like if you are photocopying a 1000 pages, one will smudge and not be exactly the same. That smudge is the extra or the missing bit of chromosome.

Sure there are a lot of things inherited but not necessarily and as always please don't assume.

(The other 'given' is "so, you're related to the father")

(Not really addressing this to the OP. He can carry on in lala land for all I care...)

Sorry to attract unpleasant attention .....but i don't necessarily think op was particularly offensive...the title was certainly provocative though...i also didn't think that ADHD/ADD was restricted to ld's...have been out of the field for a couple of years now but am rnmh and worked for a long time in special schools..and i've seen(and heard of)far worse behaviour im my son's secondary school!..and thats the parents aswell as the kids.

And anyway even if a particular genetic combination is inherited the environment can play a part in whether it is expressed.

'genetic so it is the parents' fault then' is incredibly simplistic.

Op you really are a twat

and you need to feck off back to the slimy rock you crawled out from,

you pathetic excuse for a human being, if you want to know about these things go and research it yourself, you lazy arsed prick.

willsywoo - I dont understand your point.
Children without ADD/ADHD display often worse behaviour?
Ok, what do you think that proves?
Surely if the point was that the diagnoses are just medicalising bad behaviour then those kids would be given a diagosis?

As for indignation at my comment:

"Genetic eh ? Ah, so it IS the parents' fault then!" I put a grin after it to indicate it was lighthearted - sorry if that was misconstrued.

That comment was in direct reply to Riven who gave a description of the condition and included a genetic cause when s/he wrote:

"ADHD is a description of a collection of symptoms that can have numerous causes, from the physical like brain damage, to the chemical like probelms with processing in the brain or sensitvity to certain foods to the genetic where certain disorders lead to symptoms described as 'ADHD'
Its not one condition but a label for a set of behaviours.
It can have many causes."

My comment was also to reinforce, albeit with humour, the anger expressed by rainbowinthesky in the comment "You are so right. It's all the parents fault" and who seemed to be under the impression that I was laying the entire blame on parents and upbringing. Hence

I repeat it WAS a lighthearted comment.

OP do you know anyone who has ADHD/ADD?

I read that somewhere too pag

op its not something to make jokes about.

Are you here just to try and pick at riven?

grow up!!