to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

[Breton1900]

Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

And your point is....?

cornsillky wrote: "Now you really are clutching at straws Breton. Using examples from the 19th century to attempt to reinforce your argument?"

No I'm not.

I'm countering wasuup3000's view that the medical establishment always knows best and that its diagnoses and prevailing views are always right.

Bretton, you cant have a serious debate, based solely on your opinions, backed up with nothing.

bret what kind of medical background do you hold, for you to be able to spout your twaddle?

evidence?

cornsilky;' My point is that those ridiculous beliefs about women's brains, wombs and behaviours were accepted as facts by many in the medical professions of the 19thC.

We now realise it was all nonsense.

Bret you are nonsense

Claw3: This is hardly a serious debate!

As for my opinions I have, where necessary, cited references to corroborate and substantiate my points.

being a twat is timeless

Am actually finding the OP more and more creepy with all the "religious" jargon and creepy way of putting things. I actually think he is quite a weird damaged individual. (and no I haven't just worked that out)

FFS, and a great many intelligent people thought the world was flat, and; that proves that all doctors/scientists now are wrong about everything?

Breton you are not big, you are not clever and you are not funny.

nuh nuh nuh ner neeeer

Off you run and play somewhere else there's a good boy.

Breton, what are basing your opinion on?

What pioneering research have you been doing?

Do you have a child with ASD/ADHD?

You yourself have said that there are obviously some children with severe difficulties, does it really matter what we call it?

If next Century they decide that ASD/ADHD is all a load of nonsense, you can then congratulate yourself.

But for this Century there is overwhelming evidence, backed up specialist opinions, that i trust as do many others which describe our childrens difficulties, much better than your theory does.

I think he's Tom Cruise

Yeah run off and play with the traffic on the m25

Where were the references, i only saw one from Jay Joseph, who is a psychologist, not a sciencist. You relied on his opinion after telling us that psychologists are not sciencists and cant be relied upon!

scientologist
thats the word I was looking for earlier thanks Eloise

omg the op thinks they are clever

Clever at being a twunt

So bret are you male or female?

I wonder if Breton belives in dinosaurs? Technically he is one so would be interesting

He is male. Sat in his Yfronts getting off on so much female attention.

Breton

I have raised a child who was diagnosed by a psychiatrist as having ADHD and prescribed medication for five years. It is a very real condition and an absolute nightmare at times to deal with. Such kids will push you to the very edge. They are not just fidgety kids with a lot of energy and badly behaved as you seem to suggest, it goes much deeper than that.

Of course I suspect you have no children at all.

What I don't get, and forgive me I am new both to MN and also to the world of ASD (only being in the assessment process for DS thus far - he is not naughty, but he has poor motor function, EXTREME need for routine, Obsessiveness, social communication issues, sensory issues etc) is why ANYONE without either a child with one of these DX, or a close relative / friend with a child / with the dx OR who worked with such children would have a useful opinion either way.

Not to belittle anyone at all, just that, until I NEEDED to know, I had no reason to know anything much about these things, and wouldn't have presumed to comment.

yes, I read and saw all the sensationalist news reports / docus etc, but I assumed that, whatever I MIGHT think, I didn't actuyally have to live with these things and, if I thught that it seemed like "bad parenting" or "over diagnosis" well, I couldn't know because I only had the sensationalist reports for reference.

NOW I see that such things are far more complex than naughtiness and poor parenting. I also see that the dx process is painfully complicated and difficult, both for parents and children. The whole package of indicators is something I would not wish on anyone, and I am glad I kept my stupid mouth shut when I knew nothing about it.

actually I don't think it is male.
I think it is a troll
and a sick one.
I wish they would fuck off and go play in the traffic now.

Haha corn,

just keep going ladies, once it hits 1000 messages we wont have to listen to his rubbish no more.

although i am more inclined to call him it

i spy with my little eye
something beginning with s