In thinking that David Cameron deserves an apology from LOADS of people on here...

[BarmyArmy]

Because of this

So parents are now to hold their PCT's to account, thanks to David. As if this is a real break through. It's something that parents of children with SN's have been doing for years, only to be told 'we dont have the funding'

That is sometimes true sanielle, and shall I tell you why. They have the guardianistas doing all the work for them now. Why should they waste 10 minutes of their day when they don't have to.

Did you not like Gordon Brown because of his hair then, BA?

"You don't need complex calculations...I'm telling you...No one on benefits votes Tory...(although there are always exceptions...but not many)"

I agree that the "feckless idiots popping out endless kids and living on benefits" are likely to vote BNP. They don't like all those forreners coming here to live off their welfare state.

Barmyarmy, if you want to start a lets big it up for David C, do you not think it was insensitive of you to do so at Riven's expense?

lol at 'the unthinking thousands'
Well, that's your point made right there, isn't it?
You think there are thousands of MNers who are twats, right off the bat. WHY bother engaging with them, other than to make yourself feel good? Surely your superior brain could be put to better use than goading people on the internet. It's rather sad.

By all accounts, I should be a Tory voter. I'm a higher rate tax payer, have never claimed benefit, actually live in a Tory seat (though I moved in after the election, so it's not my fault), work in financial services etc. etc.

But I'm not, because I don't trust DC and the party. I think all of what the Tories is done is for their own benefit, not for the benefit of the wider country and I truly believe that you should judge a person and a country not by how the treat the strongest and most powerful, but by how they treat the weakest.

Oh, and I'm not a Guardianista either - I tried reading it for two days and gave up because it was so sanctimonious and self-righteous. Switched to the IHT instead.

Absolutely no apology from me. Yes it is good that DC has reminded PCTs of their legal obligations, but there are still swingeing cuts out there (don't forget they are making 25% more cuts than labour would have done people) that are affecting the most vulnerable in society and not just the disabled.

I'm sure that personally he's a very nice person, it's his political ideology that makes my blood run cold.

Oh and his smarmy PR.

TBH I think even DC would blanch at BarmyArmy. He's more Nick Griffin's cup of tea, after all.

You owe Riven an apology. Are you pottering or writing your manifesto?

I'm sorry but there's no way the conservatives are as far right as some of the views I've seen on here of late.

'I'm telling you...No one on benefits votes Tory..'

aaaaaaah OK
and I should believe that, just because you're telling me

and you believe it....well, because you believe it, and that makes it true

right then

I would love to know how everyone would recover the economy if we didn't have cuts?!
Sadly they have to be widespread, they cannot just be targetted at one section of society. The top band of tax is going up, benefits are being reduced, VAT is going up...it is going to hit everyone and has to hit everyone, sadly the govt dont have the money to shelter certain areas of society from the economic reality that Labour and Gordon Brown as chancellor (more so than his latter position as PM) left us in.

What fucking moron announces to the market that they are going to sell their national reserve of gold BEFORE fucking selling it?! Ignoring every expert advice, resulting in a dump in price and GB achieving a rock bottom price for one of the most expensive commodities in the world right now. That is the tiniest slice of the messy pie of poor economic governance of this country.

Now, and very sadly for a lot of the mroe vulnerable in society, we all have to suffer the consequences.

You do realise we're not the only country inthis mess,right? It isn't like DC is ignoring financial experts and making the whole thing up, he is following what other countries are already doing. Cuts in public services, reductions in benefits, inreases in VAT are being introduced across the eurozone, not just on our shores.

It is a very naive argument to think we could all be so much happier under a different govt, when in reality it was always going to be either cuts or further debt.

Was that in response to anything in particular coraltoes, or just getting it off your chest?

This is good news- of course it is. Well done to Riven and all the other mumsnetters involved!

But I was- and remain- pretty cynical about the whole issue of DC visiting Riven- Riven being a popular high profile mumsnetter in what was (tritely) called the 'mumsnet election'. And now this. While services are being chopped left right and centre and the welfare state is being tugged out from under our feet...

tbh this gives me the same feeling I got when Johnnie Boden gave Trinity a coat

or maybe I've just watched too much 'the Thick of It'

[hard faced cynical cow emoticon- for when is not quite enough]

You mean you arent't already, Riven? Shame on you!

I would have thought that most people on benefits who vote would vote conservative, to be honest.

But I'm not going to claim that that is the case like daftpunk, because that would be ludicrous.

Has DC agreed to cough up funding to enable PCT's to supply more than 4 nappies?

most people I met on the estates I worked who were on long term benefits did vote Tory. This was apparently because they weren't always going to be on benefits- one day they were going to be come one of The Chosen and get rich.

I think that was the logic anyway...I did get a bit confused.

"Turkeys voting for christmas" was a phrase that cropped up in our office quite often come election time...