Yay! Looks like Child Benefits are next on Dave's hitlist...

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11009535

Speculation, my bum. We all know what's coming, Dave.

oh yes usualsuspect !! we do don't we ? and a daily mail one ..

Benefits are not a reward.

The welfare state is not Father Christmas.

Paying tax isn't paying into a savings account.

The welfare state is supposed to be there to ensure that nobody becomes ill, homeless or dies due to poverty. From the cradle to the grave.

So I could use it when people start banging on and on and on about benefit scroungers

It's unsustainable.

In the 1940s it might have been possible with our lack of medical knowledge compared to today and our much smaller population. We are living far longer and with that comes loads of associated problems.

It needs a total rethink and some politicians with big brains and big balls.

Alouiseg just because people are hanging about doesn't mean they don't work, this is a 24hour country.

When I was working I'd be at work probably before you where out of bed and be on my way home from work before your kids got out school.

My fiance works weekends so his days off are during the week, how do you know who is in work or not just by seeing them when you go out to the city centre?

You don't even see them as people, do you Alouiseg?

Your previous post speaks volumes.

I see them as financially draining irritants with an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

The winter fuel allowance winds me up - my PILs claim it, PIL still working earning 6 figures etc, MIL uses free bus pass. My parents also claim it, they are retired but spend most of the year in their 2nd home abroad, DF is higher rate tax payer in retirement.

Are the bus passes nation wide now, because I remember my Grandma complaining about still having to pay over £2 a time in Bus fare in Derby when she was in her 90's when people in there 60's who live in London get on the bus for free.

Alouiseg I get a feeling you would be the first person to vote in favour of the introduction of Gas chambers.

Nothing I could say would weaken your argument more than your last post, Alouiseg.

getting back according to what you pay in is a fab idea. I mean when the factory goes bust - Mr Manager who will have had a decent wage will get a nice wad of JSA and mr minimum wage workers doing 14hr shifts will get less.

That's perfectly fair isn't it - I mean those on the minimumwage scale shoulod just have worked harder shouldn't they

But you don't work, do you, alouiseg? Doesn't that make you a financially draining irritant?

Damn straight toccatanfudge reward the hard work of those in well paid positions who toil endlessly to keep the company going, like bankers .

As for the irratants well they only have themselves to blame for the fact they where born into the lower classes, they had the option of topping themselves when they found out where not of blue blood.

clusters of teenagers hanging off a buggy being chatted up by moronic youths with stupid shapes shaved into their hair.

At the risk of being tarred and feathered, I did chuckle at this bit.

Alouiseg.......... You're making yourself look stupid again! Happens alot with you I've noticed!! You've lost the argument whenyou stoop that low

And what's a 'family man'. ?

cupcakes - I chuckled at that as well

No I don't work, I'm a sahm. The only person I drain is dh who couldn't do what he does without me running our life our home and bringing up our children. He couldn't earn what he does without me. We made a decision very early on in our relationship and it's worked beautifully.

Before I had children of course I worked, I was extremely good at my job and reasonably successful.

I also shifted my 16 year old arse down to London to find work, I couldn't afford to live there so I was on the 5.45 train every day.

What has class got to do with it? I was hardly a candidate for a silver spoon. My comprehensive school was a sink before the term had been invented.

So please forgive me if i get hacked off with lazy, good for nothing spongers. If they weren't so idle then the people who have lost their jobs legitimately wouldn't be living off £45 pw or leaving this country to work elsewhere.

A family man, is someone who hangs around long enough to bring up his family, rather than impregnating the local girls and running away from his responsibility.

They seem to be a rare species at the moment.

Let's just hope your children don't grow up and gather in a cluster of teenagers hanging off a buggy, eh? Someone might judge them...

Lets hope your children all find well paying jobs then ..or a wealthy husband

Reading all this is making me so fecking angry. We are both good earners in our house, but the fact is, if you earn it, you spend it. And on, not on boden cardies and joules polo shirts. Things like a mortgage on a house near a good school as most of the state schools near us are shite. Things like a pension, so we're not relying on the (non-existant) state pension fund. Things like TAX, which is not inconsiderable. Things like student loan repayments. The fact is, the baby boomers fucked our generation over big style, and now we are paying for it whilst they reap the benefits.

"If they weren't so idle then the people who have lost their jobs legitimately wouldn't be living off £45 pw or leaving this country to work elsewhere."

WTF is that? makes no sense at all so are you saying the long term unemployed are taking the jobs of the hard working people who just lost there jobs? I mean WTF are you on about?.

Make sense you strange woman, maybe you need a wake up call, times have changed I hereby invite you to come to London and apply for work lets see how long you remain an idle scrounger (off the state instead of your husband). no one walks into a job anymore, it's a harsh world with hundreds of applicants for even the most mundane of jobs.

It is unfair, my dh got made redundant after a long time with his company, I couldn't afford to have another baby but if you are already in the system you automatically get more money in lots of ways. Lots of girls I was at school with have babies that they can't afford but they don't worry because they actually end up with more.