crouch, ronan keating, mark owen etc... is all that keeps "ordinary" men from cheating is lack of opportunity?

[stillbobbysgirl]

Me and DH had a heated debate on this subject last night. If you met Peter Crouch, Mark Owen, Ronan Keating etc, down the pub, would you not think they were totally average looking fellas, and they get women throwing themselves at them coz they are famous/rich?

I think it therefore follows that if ANY bloke (including husband who is as faithful as an old labrador) had women chucking themselves at them, they would be shagging all around them. He disagrees!

I think he lies!

I hope not!

I think men become aclimated to whatever environment they are currently in, so that behaviour in said environment is normalised and the results of it seem less abhorant. Therefore, if they spend more time in situations where women will throw themselves at them, they will become more accustomed to the idea of infidelity. Fame and money breed arrogance, which makes them then think they can get away with it, even if they don't consciously consider getting caught.

Sorry, think that was probably more serious than you were hoping for!

I think I'd still shag Ronan tbh .

when I think about this I rmeember an old female colleague of mine

she had been married for 30 years, kids grown-up, lovely house, affectionate relationship, husband steady as a rock

he ran off with a 30yo barmaid from the local pub

he is now living in a shithole and estranged from his children/grandchildren who think he is an absolute twat

me and this lady were very friendly for a long time and one of the best pieces of advice she gave me was "don't think it can't happen to you, don't think any bloke can't have his head turned by someone showing them some flattery"

I dunno, really

No, I don't believe this.

Surely it is not dependant on how many women throw themselves at the man (or woman for that matter).

If a man is going to stray then he will, whether it is just one woman who comes onto him or dozens.

That the slebs have more women coming on to them than your average Joe Bloggs is obvious. I think that they just get more offers and so they are more likely to be tempted.

Plus, to be an internationally successful footballer/pop star, you have to have rather a big ego and lots of ambition.

It might have more to do with peers than opportunity. I think that anyone can get a sneaky $hag if they want one, there are always willing/desperate men/women about so IMO all married men/women do have the opportunity to cheat if they are not fussy and look for it.

I think the celebrities mentioned are probably surrounded by a lot of "players" rather than average happily married family men.

see yourpont lucy lou - these blokes are living in a totally different world to ours. Perhaps if I was rich, beautiful pop star I might be the same!

My 6 yo has been calling Peter Crouch - Peter Crutch all summer coz he thought it was cheeky, seems he may have had a point!

The sad thing I find is that almost every one of the betrayed wives follow the same pattern. Throw him out for a couple of weeks, take wedding ring off, be photographed looking glum, then photographed looking better, at the beach, shopping with friends. Then first photos of possible reconciliation.

The only one to have chucked her H out is Tiger Wood's wife.

whilst I think that in the celeb culture certainly lots of fans etc will be in awe of their status in RL it's more likely to be the MM pursuing the woman.

and maybe it happens just as much to the rest of us, but there are no paps following our OHs around and our husbands' indiscretions are of no interest to tabloids so we never know?

Has Peter Crouch been unfaithful then? Or is he one the lsit because he is an ugly creature with a model girlfriend?

I think they are all unfaithful because of the opportunities they get with women throwing themselves at them because they are famous.

Their wives are fools to put up with it. Well done to Tuger Woods' wife for slinging him out, and slinging a golf club at him.

I once read one of those '60 second' interviews with Peter Crouch

He was asked "What would you be if you weren't a pro footballer?"

PC: "A virgin"

It did make me chuckle

The prostitute story being leaked had been on the cards a while, apparently

Tiger Woods pissed me off the most because he had such a family man image and was so fucking private and all that time he was picking up skanks all over the place! With the others (possible exception of RK), they didn't try to sell their happy family as part of their image. So I'm most happy for Elin Nordegren here. I want to hug her lol.

I think most, if not all men, given the opportunity and in the knowledge that they won't be found out would cheat.

The main difference with ordinary guys is that celebs are in the public eye and tend to get rumbled more often. What with photographers round every corner and all the local lovelies having Max Clifford's phone number in their back pocket.... they either have to be very determined to have an affair, or turned on by the thrill of dodging a bullet.

I know a few outwardly steady, ordinary blokes that are carrying on affairs quite discreetly. No-one's going to kiss and tell on them so they just keep going.

I think it is fear of consequence that keeps people on the straight and narrow. Day to day life can be stressful and boring, so I think it's easy for peoples heads to be turned by flattery and the idea that life with someone else would be wonderfully exciting. We all know that deep down it wouldn't and life would become routine again. Chasing the excitement is probably why some people are serial cheaters.

Celebrities constantly have people telling them how wonderful they are, so come to believe they are entitled to extra marital shags. They also have no fear of consequence, because their wives are usually exactly the same as the women who chase them (will trade respect and fidelity for money and lifestyle).

Ordinary men (and women) do have to worry about consequence. If my DH cheated, the consequences would be hurting me (the person he loves and has built a life with) and also the loss of his family life. I hope he would think about this and it would override any attraction to someone else.

It is maybe natural to be attracted to other people and perhaps more people would act on it if there were no negative consequences. People who cheat and think they are harming no one because their partner doesn't know, are fooling themselves. In real life there are always consequences

I have a male best friend, I'm going to grill him on this subject. I've got a feeling OP is going to be right still though....:(

I do think that men are more likely to be swayed to be unfaithful

I think it is the different attitude men and women have towards sex and its consequences ...

If you look in the animal world there are very few faithful partners - the female is usually left looking after the brood and the male has been pushed out or left ...

It depends on what kind of celeb though, I mean you dont hear of the Stones being grassed up left right and centre do you? Ronan had probably been at it for years, same with Mark Owen but it is only this year that they get exposed. ALL of them are at it. Have you ever been out with a band after a gig? It doesnt matter what kind of bad they are whether they are some silly X Factor contestant, a massive Rock band or an indie band with a cult following. The opportunity is there everysingle night, whether it is from a fan, a regular groupie or, the receptionist at the hotel. These kind of blokes are surrounded by a clique of people, like a band of brothers, they aint going to grass each other up are they? God, I must end this rant but it is something that irks me. I imagine footballers are the same, if not worse.

The average Joe Bloggs who works in your office? of course he would if he had the opportunity. I have no doubt in my mind.

I also beleive that when you marry someone in this position you do know what you are letting yourself in for. Thats why the wives take off their wedding ring for a couple of days and then put it back on, its for show. I cant imagine it ever comes as a surprise to them.

My, the internet has alot to answer to!!! this never happened afew years ago.

I used to work ina male dominated industry (engineering) and lots of them used to be unfaithful whilst their partners were none the wiser. That said, my mum works in a female dominated industry and I can't really say the women are any better!:o

I think you have to accept that affairs are fairly commonplace and people do have them. I don't think everyone is able to be faithful, I don't think it is in their make up. I have been faithful myself though and trust that dh has been. I just think it is outside some peoples capabilities as an mammal I suppose.

Nope. Total rubbish.

Some men have affairs and some dont. Its not about being worried they will be found out.

[faithful old labrador emoticon]

All of this is making me feel very downhearted. I think my dh wouldn't do it because he loves me and couldn't live with the guilt, so he says. Not all men are the same.