to wonder why person in front on plane always puts their fucking seat back the minute we take off

[madmn52]

Im not talking long haul or night flights. Im talking day flights of a few hours duration. Theres precious enough leg room and the airlines cram us in like sardines - and I have 32ins legs meaning I practically get knee-capped by the seat in front as it is. But thats not bad enough - oh no - I get the only person on the plane - and I know this cos Ive looked round and checked !! who absolutely has to put their seat back the minute we take off. So now I've got cramp, I'm starting to lose all feeling in my legs - I cant reach down to get some light entertainment or pain relief !! out of my bag without cricking my neck - the inflight movie is pointing towards my pelvic area because of the angle of the seat in front and to cap it all Ive got some fucking complete ignorant arsehole strangers head in my lap for the entire flight.

Have flown short and long haul, heavily pregnant, with a baby and with a toddler. I have never had any problems with the person in front reclining their seat - I just do the same.

I would have a problem though if I couldn't recline my seat as I find sitting very upright for even short periods of time gives me a bad back.

For all flyers moaning about the person in front, have you ever considered that maybe the person in front of them has reclined their seat too? Refusing to let them put their seat back leaves them in a pretty miserable place.

Maybe the airlines could instigate a 'left hand side of the plane reclines, right hand side doesn't' rule to keep everyone happy?

I don't think the solution is to recline your seat if the person in front has reclined. That just means you're squashing the poor tike behind you and the whole row has to then recline like dominos. Think of the poor sos at the back who can't go anywhere.

People who get bad backs if they can't recline- I do sympathise but what do you do the rest of the time when seats don't recline?

Nesta, I don't know which airlines you fly on but most of them have space for the back row of seats to recline too.

Not sure what you mean about sitting the rest of the time. My car seat and office seats both recline. At home, I use beanbags or lie down. Don't sit much elsewhere.

If someone does this to me I swap seats with my ds - that means I get more room and he kicks the back of the chair every so often like dcs do...

Hammy - that annoys me aswell - once also had someone forceably cramming their hand luggage into the overhead - I was like which part of it doesnt fit do you want me to go over with you ! My hand luggage was in same one first so was being pushed to the back by his - he somehow managed to cram his bag in and several slams later finally managed to shut locker. When I was unpacking later my sunglasses were cracked and a tube of hand cream which definitely had the top on properly and was in a plastic bag (luckily) had been split . What are your views on the OP by the way -right to recline or anti-recline ??

Isawthreeships - maybe they could then alternate through the flight - be like that stupid OOps Upside Your Head song in the 70's - showing my age now ! - when everyone sat on the floor and 'rowed'. They could do it on a musical chairs basis to that tune. When the music stops - all passengers on rows A to K -recline NOW - the rest of you sit up NOW. But seriously asking reclining preferences on booking wouldnt be a bad idea - bit like the old smoking and no smoking seating areas in resturants.

I think you are being unreasonable.
If the airline has seats that recline and they allow you to do so then it is their fault if you are squashed - not the person in front of you who is doing a legitimate exercise.

If the person in front drops back on me I just tip backwards as well. I find it more comfortable than sitting bolt upright anyway.

I'm lucky in that I normally fly business class and I drop those seats into a bed position asap!

madman - lol visualising rowing song on a plane but as for your idea or probably 3ships idea really to be fair you'd always get the odd awkward bastard who wanted to recline themselves but didnt want person in front to !! Introduce outside seating for those maybe

Butkin - throughout the thread you pro-recliners have come up with that argument over and over and had it countered several times by the voice of reason and consideration - as one poster said way back -we all have to surely take responsibility for our own actions and their effect on others - we cant merely blame the mechanics of an inaminate object or faceless corporate bodies for their policies. It is the passenger who presses that button to consciously and deliberately put themselves into the already limited personal space of the person behind. To say that a person can always do the same to the person behind is ridiculous - two wrongs dont make a right. The name of these threads anyway is - am I being unreasonable - not am I being legitimate - just because you are allowed to do something or physically able and mechanically equipped to do something does not make it reasonable

Sorry Suda - I did skip over some of the middle pages of this thread.

However despite the fact I'm 6 foot tall I never mind that the person flops back in my lap on takeoff.

If that is what makes them comfortable then fine. I don't see that they are doing anything wrong.

I'm much more outraged by kids kicking me in the back which they often do. Luckily I'm pretty child tolerant but it still annoys me.

Very nicely put Suda.

I really do not see what the problem is with reclining seats back, I fly quite regularly with my children and I will always put my seat back when I have an opportunity to rest and I don't have a problem with somebody doing it in front of me. It is what you expect when flying. Just relax.

Nesta thank you - I do have the odd moments of coherence especially during daylight hours

Millymolly - so I have to do same as you recline relax/go to sleep etc. What if I dont want to ? What if I want to stay sat up - wide awake club eat/read/play games/look out the window. Have you people who take the line of Im going to lie down - if you dont want me lying at a diagonal in your face then you lie down as well !! Have you people any clue how control freaky that sounds. !!!

Butkin - afraid to say you are much much more tolerant than me - Im afraid the flaying monster behind me annoys me equally as much as the recliners head in my lap - and please before all you physics eggheads start spouting angles and degrees and ratios as to why their head possibly couldnt actually be in my lap - then I am just being tongue in cheek there !! Anyway must go - be late for anger management - probably see you going into the yoga class next door. Bye for now - 123 ...and breathe

Suda - you only think MillyMolly is 'control freaky' because she disagrees with you.

Same goes for your point that anti-recliners have 'countered' the pro-recliners points.

I disagree with you and you want me to do what you want me to do. That is also control freaky, don't you see?

stieger: Perhaps I AM your DH? Mwah haha...

Speedy:

I apologise for the off-colour post! I shall blame the language on both the endless joy of the school "holidays" and half a bottle of shiraz.

As for the content of my post, the sentiment, I fully stand by it. The fuselage of an aircraft, in the economy section, is a place where people are forced way too close to each other for too long a time, and the only way to get through it is for people to utilise common sense, good manners and a little selflessness.

During the holiday seasons I see little of this onboard any aircraft.

My general impression from this thread is that many of the people complaining about reclining seats are short (although there are some exceptions). I think maybe the point you are missing is that many tall people cannot actually sit with their legs bent at the knee even when the seat in front is fully upright. So this concept that you should be able to sit on a plane with your legs bent rather than have your legs in one gradual slope is a luxury that people with 36 inch legs are unfamiliar with.

Ryanair are apparently getting rid of reclining seats - if seats are upright all the time they can reduce the space between seats, so short people will soon become familiar with never being able to bend your legs at the knee on a plane.

ifanycashandy - afraid not - no I dont see - airlines or anyone else for that matter cant please everyone so they can only really go with the norm/the general consensus/the majority as can any reasonable group of people thrown together for whatever reason. Millymolly and other pro-recliners are telling me that I should go into sleep mode in broad daylight on public transport on a short haul flight to counteract the effect of them doing so in front of me. If I was on a flight in the wee small hours when most humans i.e. the norm/the majority want to sleep - in fact as is well documented thats the time our bodies are programmed to sleep - and I insisted on sitting up with my lights full on eating crisps/talking laughing -getting up walking around disturbing people, waking up all the children playing noisy games etc then I would be very unpopular with all around me I would imagine and if I came on this site and said thats what I did I would expect to be flamed. Yet you cant understand why you saying I should just go to sleep in the day in the opposite situation cos its the only way I can be comfie because its what you are doing is not even a bit unreasonable or controlling. Its like me in above insomniac mode saying to anyone who complains - well you can always sit upright and stay awake all night if you cant sleep ! I would be very much a control freak and a selfish unreasonable one at that.

Bravo Suda very well said- absolutely spot on - these short flight daytime sleepyheads will be insisting all the blinds are pulled down and lights out next - play lullabys over the tannoy - you are absolutely right - they are the ones imposing their will on us and their seat and head into our personal space more to the point - I frankly dont care if they sleep or not - as long as they dont take some of my space to do it in. Cant believe we are being called the control freaks for asking them not to take a chunk of our space or objecting when they do. Its like a burglar objecting to you reporting him to the police - so I stole your telly - cant you go and steal next doors

I thought that every schoolgirl knew that the law of Reclinus Selfishisticus states:

The recline in Economy causes disproportionate discomfort and inconvenience to the person sitting behind than any additional comfort it provides to the recliner.

Fact.(It's geometry and physics, innit?)

Chew on that serial recliners with your special rubber drool pillows and blankies. That London-Manchester flight must be a bitch, eh? Dissenters, I point you to the "well within the rules" defence of disgraced expenses MPs. Ha.

korallkrabba -brilliant - no pun intended but will go straight over heads of most of yeah but no but serial recliners. apologies for all lower case glass of wine in one hand and cant bloody see the caps lock sat in dark - fully reclined of course - anyone seen tiddles lately - she would insist on sitting under the parker knoll

Alas Poor Tiddles - we will always remember her - may her brave uprightus indignatus spirit live on.

Anyway nightie bless - my Adjustamatic bed is calling - must go and hog the controls before my OH does

Rofl at Snobear - I'm sure we've previously had a similar convo on MN after you've Posted Under the Influence!