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TheLadyEvenstar · 06/08/2010 07:37

If one child hits another and that child then hits back it is a case of what goes around comes around?

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scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 22:56

your energy disputing me cant you utilise that to protect him from violet elizabeth jibes and lisp pokes?galvanise your energies to protect yourself and son,dont drag your he/said she said across mn

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 22:59

FFS SM, he is protected. He pretends to have a lisp can't you understand that?

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scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 23:02

cant understand you arguing up ds bad points,to make a point

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 23:03

Maybe you should have read last week where i was praising him then and saying how lovely he had been eh?

as i said previously I hang on to every good minute let alone day.

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scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 23:07

tles,wishing you and him good times. im offsky i feel a bit uneasy discussing you and him

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 23:14

SM, no need to feel uneasy.

he is very loved and well cared for - although if you ask him he is neglected because i won't pay £80 for a pair of nikes lol.

He is very hard work most days and this is what makes it difficult to focus on the good.

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PosieParker · 08/08/2010 08:06

TLE. I wonder whether the ADHD is a label that you're comfortable with only when discussing mental health issues with a friend last night, the consultant Psych for this area, she was saying that often circumstance and social behaviours are more to blame for MH issues than we think. Listing all of the crap your DS has had to deal with and the fact that you may or may not have pandered/excused his behaviour(a difficult tightrope for anyone)it's no wonder he has issues.

TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 08:22

Posie, I have never mentioned ADHD so I am lost there. I have excused his behaviour or rather made excuses for it.

Not once have I said that his bahviour is not a result of circumstances as they were. However I do know there are other factors. I can work with the knowledge that some of his past will have affected him...however it is not all down to me.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 08:29

ODD, is not something I mentioned it was a diagnosis by proffessionals which for the first 6m i argued with as I had originally asked them for help with sleep issues with him. From then I asked - originally - on here for advice about it. The same as with assessments for aspergers I never thought about it, I was advised these assessments would be carried out because of many factors one being his lack of emotion - hard to describe but he can talk about the weather and death in the same tone, he can take on the role and behaviours of any character in a book - and copy them to a T. Hence me banning Horrid Henry when he was younger.

Don't get me wrong he can be the most loving caring little boy and adorable to be with but everyone in close contact with him is seeing he is hard work now. It is not just me and although I take some responsibility for the way it is, it is not all down to me. His father was there for 2yrs, and then has seen him on and off for years, he is to blame for a lot of this as well.

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PosieParker · 08/08/2010 08:37

Sorry again.....thought I would google ODD, seems to me this explains alot. I am not trying to blame you either, not for a second. We all carry enough guilt for everything our children do!! Sorry again for saying about ADHD...seem to have misread and then couldn't shake it. Perhaps with this condition you need different styles of parenting, allowing a child to get so far with hitting another is clearly too far and I would think normal punishments are out of bounds too? I think you need to push for more help and support from medics and then from your wider circle. This can only get more tricky as he gets bigger and older.

I wish you all the luck in the world.

TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 08:47

Posie, I have CAMHS, Early Intervention Team (to prevent him getting into crime) and SS involved now.

To say everyday sanctions/punishments don't often work would be an understatement. With most children you can put them in their rooms and although they may cry etc they will not deliberatly smash things, kick holes in doors, and scream uncontrollably for up to an hour (sometimes more), they will not scream "Leave me alone get off me" when you are in a different room.

He has made up stories and lied about people, steals not only from me but from my mum recently as well - however she makes excuses and covers for him far too often. Which tbh doesnt help! although she has been better the last month or so.

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pushmepullyou · 08/08/2010 08:49

TLES I think you have had a hard time on this thread. Maybe a lack of awareness re ODD and how it affects behaviour.

That said your OP wasn't perhaps as clear as it might have been. I think you were asking if you were BU to think it 'served DS1 right' that DS2 threw a block at him?

My opinion would be that whilst you are NBU to think this to yourself you would be BU if you allowed it to show to DS2.

TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 08:51

Sorry I do have to explain,
I didn't allow him to get so far with hitting. I did separate them on more than one occasion and he kept coming back in the room. I left DS2 playing with his bricks while i went for a wee, the toilet is next door to living room, and when i came back DS1 was laying screaming on the floor because DS2 had thrown a brick at him. I asked DS2 why he had done it and he told me, DS1 said yeah i shoved him. I then removed his ps2 from his room and put him back in there repeatedly until i went out.

Although I can see from my original question that it interprets I allowed it to happen.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 08:54

Pushme, I did explain earlier on in the thread that I told DS2 he should not have hit. I hate violence and so I don't condone it.

I also try as much as possible to keep the #DC in the living room with me or at the very least separate so there are not incidents like this.

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TarkaLiotta · 08/08/2010 09:08

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PosieParker · 08/08/2010 09:10

It must be exhausting. Perhaps there is a forum or place where you can vent without being accused of taking the piss or being horrid about your son? I certainly have times where I dislike my older DS for his behaviour, but MN is not the place to air that...all too often MN can be a place of judgement and not a 'real' place where SAHMs are allowed to be bored, WOHMs are allowed to miss their children, parents are allowed to be at the point of complete frustration without being blamed. Simply for most of us our parenting woes are self created but they still deserve a little compassion and empathy.

maryz · 08/08/2010 09:34

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PosieParker · 08/08/2010 09:39

most, not meaning you BTW.

PosieParker · 08/08/2010 17:38

meow Grin TLE

RunawayWife · 08/08/2010 17:51

Wow your 3 year old must pack a punch if he can make a 12 year old cry.

I spent years telling my two not to hit back but after DS1 got bullied and hit by one little shit boy repeatably I told him hit back and hit harder.

Ideaswelcome · 08/08/2010 18:12

"to be taken out every day wherever i want to go and never have to do anything again silly woman why don't you get it, housework is your job now get on with it"

where is he getting this sort of language and concept of 'women's work' from? He must have picked it up from somewhere.

And why does your dp only 'visit'? I thought you lived with him (dp), your ds1 and your (joint) ds2 together?

TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 20:21

We used to live together but then DP, felt he was the root of the problems and after many tears we agreed to live seperate to see if it would make a difference - which it hasn't.

As for DS1's attitude well I am at a loss of where he has got it from. When DP visits he is always helping wheter it be helping do bits of housework or cooking dinner.
And as I have said many many times DP treats them both the same if anything he has more time for DS1 than DS2.

Run, DS2 doesnt pack a punch really but DS1 does exaggerate things.....like today he told me he had caught DS2's headache....but thats another story all together Hmm

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Ideaswelcome · 08/08/2010 22:00

am just off to bed, but you need to think about how much power you give your DS. He now has had the 'power' (and more importantly therefore, the responsibility) of making your relationship with your DP change/stop.

He has succeeded in throwing the 'other man' out of the house.

He is a young child, yet because of how he has been brought up (with all of the too much - too young that has been discussed many times before on MN) he has all this terrible responsibility on his young shoulders. He needs to be a child, to have fun like a child. He has constantly been given too much information, too much stress, too much choice, too much everything.

And now he has had yet another change to the household to deal with. Get a grip and move your DP back in (how on earth are you affording separate accomodation anyway?) and apply some consistancy. Your ds is crying out for rules, boundaries and stability. For someone to take the load off his shoulders and take charge so he can be a child again.

You're setting up a terrible sibling relationship for them too, DS2 is presumably currently scared of DS1, DS1 is jealous of the arrival of DS2 and now DS1 has 'made' DS2's father leave!!

I mean this kindly - please start listening to all the help you have available from external sources.

In your posts you do come across as flippant, you always have done. You also come across as totally detached, and every suggestion given you just say you can't do/won't work etc.

If you don't want your ds to go on to commit crime, have mental health issues or, heaven forbid, commit suicide, then please start thinking before you act and really try to get help and act on it. Good luck.

maryz · 08/08/2010 22:29

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TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2010 23:28

Maryz, did you get my CAT message earlier?

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