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TheLadyEvenstar · 06/08/2010 07:37

If one child hits another and that child then hits back it is a case of what goes around comes around?

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TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 19:17

#posie, he doesn't have adhd he has ODD

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PosieParker · 07/08/2010 19:56

Shit sorry...does that make my post completely irrelevant?

Alouiseg · 07/08/2010 20:11

Maybe the ODD should have been mentioned in the initial post?

Drip feeding info on Aibu is a tricky and sometimes misleading game.

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:40

Alouise, i did mention it. I wanted opinions not based on ODD

Add message | Report | Contact poster TheLadyEvenstar Fri 06-Aug-10 11:27:02
sorry just got bak from the shop.

DS2 was playing with some building blocks a a friend gave him and DS1 kept knocking them over. DS2 moved away and carried on, i put ds1 in his room having asked him 5 times to leave ds2 and the bricks alone.

He came out again before i had got to living room so i put him back repeated this 5 or 6 times before i removed his ps2.

Came back in living room and ds1 followed and carried on, he then pushed ds2 who turned round and threw a block at him.

there is more to it as many know he has behavioural issues, has been diagnosed with ODD and is being assessed for ASD.

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Lougle · 07/08/2010 20:43

TheLadyEvenstar, why are you doing this, again? Why are you posting in AIBU about your DS1, when you know exactly what will happen?

You know that your DS1 has behavioural issues. You know that he needs (and is starting to get) serious help with his past and his current issues.

Why on earth did you allow your DS1 to wind your DS2 up for 30 minutes? Why did you wait until he disobeyed you 5 or 6 times before you gave him a consequence?

You are going to have much bigger problems than you have now if you don't start taking it seriously. Your postings always have a level of humour about them, like you think that your DS1's behaviour is on some level amusing. It isn't. It is sad and shocking.

Your DS2 is going to learn most from what he sees. What he is seeing is that you have no control over DS1, and that you won't protect him against his brother.

I get challenging behaviour. I do. My DD1 can be absolutely determined to wreak havoc when her younger sisters are playing nicely (she has SN). BUT my job as her parent, and their parent, is to be that protection. So, hard as it is, I do whatever it takes to protect them from the menace that is my DD1 when she has that agenda.

My DD1 is only 4.7, but she is determined, resourceful, strong and unbelievably stubborn. My job as her mother is to show her (regardless of how I feel) that I am More Determined, More Resourceful, Stronger, and More Stubborn. If she gets a whiff of being able to overrule me, it will be game over. So I win. Every time. If all else fails, I put her booster chair onto a dining room chair, then strap her in it, in the hallway for 4 minutes. It might take me half-an-hour to get her into the chair, but once she is there, it gives the littlies 4 minutes of calm.

You have to accept that he is not going to like not getting his own way. It isn't a sign that he can't do it. It isn't a sign that you've lost. It is a sign that finally you are taking control.

Do you know what? The dishwasher thing? I would have said "Please do the dishwasher". He screams, he cries he wishes you were dead? "I'm sorry to hear that. Dishwasher, please." So what if he wishes you were dead? He is a child. He is just saying whatever he thinks will avoid doing the dishwasher. I wouldn't care if my child spat vile abuse at me for an hour, they'd still do the dishwasher, and then they'd get their punishment for the way they treated me later.

Alouiseg · 07/08/2010 20:48

Yes you mentioned it 4 hours after your original post Hmm.

You're the adult in your family dynamic not the dc's. If I was you I would be seriously concerned about the welfare of the youngest, he sounds in serious danger of harm from dc1 and as Lougle said it is your job to protect him.

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:48

Lou, If you read my OP you will see I never actually mentioned anyone but asked for opinions.

I then mentioned their ages.

All I was asking is Was I BU to think that if one child hits another then they have to expect a come back from the other child.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:49

Alouise, if you notice I went out and replied when i got back.

I could have asked the same question and used any 2 children as an example.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:52

he didn't hit ds2 5 times, he kept coming out of his room to wind ds2 and me up and i kept returning him.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:53

Why on earth did you allow your DS1 to wind your DS2 up for 30 minutes? Why did you wait until he disobeyed you 5 or 6 times before you gave him a consequence?

To answer this question, I didn't allow him I kept seperating them by putting DS1 in his room.

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Alouiseg · 07/08/2010 20:54

Like I said, drip feeding information. People can't make an informed decision unless they have the facts.

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 20:56

I was not drip feeding.

At the end of the day I asked for an opinion on whether I was wrong in thinking one child had got his just desserts for hitting another.

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Morloth · 07/08/2010 20:56

I think your DS2 shouldn't have had to defend himself because you should have sorted it out before it got to that point.

Having said that, this is not what you are wanting to hear so good luck with the thread. I can't bear to watch it all go down again.

Alouiseg · 07/08/2010 20:57

And you are being very u if you think it's ok for a 12 year old and a 3 year old to hit each other, whoever the instigator is. It's rather like putting Mike Tyson in a ring with a chihuahua.

Lougle · 07/08/2010 20:58

Yes, but nobody can answer that question categorically. If my 16 month old hits my 4 year old, there is NO WAY I would think it acceptable or inevitable that she would hit her back. SN or no SN.

And actually, sorry to be picky, but I wouldn't regard a 'push' as a hit, nor would I regard throwing something as hitting.

This thread is once again trying to make yourself feel better about your lack of intervention at the right time by deflecting the fallout onto your DS1. Who is a CHILD.

That CHILD needs firm and consistent parenting, in love, and your DS2 needs to know that he will be protected.

Your DS2 shouldn't have been in a situation where he was so provoked by a 12 year old that he needed to use violence to escape him Sad

Alouiseg · 07/08/2010 20:59

I think OP that you would benefit from some parenting lessons.

thesecondcoming · 07/08/2010 21:01

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zubin · 07/08/2010 21:07

Am I the only one feeling a bit sorry for the elder child (he is only 12!) and op, I will sound a bit super nanny here but perhaps you need to spend some time repairing your relationship with the older child. Of course they need boundaries etc but annoying a younger sibling sounds like classic holiday boredom and attention seeking to me. For what its worth I would start a fresh tomorrow, wake up, give him a big cuddle and tell him you love him - try reversing it, instead of punishment if he is 'naughty' give him a reward for being good and I don't mean buy him something to bribe him into being good, maybe some 1:1 time with you, playing football, going to the cinema whatever he loves to do but just with you (if you can find a sitter) - sorry if you have tried all this, you probably have.

scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 21:08

tles,you regularly post about your son in a wacky manner practically inviting derision in a guess what he did next way.given as you say he potentially has ASD why not ease up on stories of his behaviour.i suppose you must have a lot on your plate but maybe be more tactful about your children and your son difficulties

Lougle · 07/08/2010 21:11

zubin, yes, I think I can speak for about 1/3 of mumsnet, who have heard about TLE's DS1 for many a year, and have felt sorry for him for as long. But TLE's DS1 is on a collision course with adulthood, and if he doesn't get some decent parenting soon, he is going to be in big, big trouble as an adult. Poor kid.

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 21:21

he is not a poor kid.

Experts are involved and have been for a number of years now. I really am shocked that people think their is humour in my threads because believe me I am not laughing.

I put him in his room - he comes out
I take something away - he breaks something of someone elses
I arrange to take him out - and yes he needs to be told - he will do something to ruin the day.
I sorted out childcare for DS2 last week so I could take DS1 out- DS1 had a hissy fit because I said we were going on a train and he wanted to go on a bus and held his breath until he passed out.

I spoke to him earlier and asked him without asking iyswim what he was feeling and what would make him happier...his answer? "to be taken out every day wherever i want to go and never have to do anything again silly woman why don't you get it, housework is your job now get on with it"
as it happened when he said that I was doing the dishwasher.

I do not let him rule me or get away with things.
I do move DS2 to my side away from DS1 if he is hitting out.

Someone said about leaving him indoors while i go out with DS2, that would be great if he could be trusted....I left him before xmas for exactly 3 minutes while i knocked on my neighbours door to ask a question...I came back to my mobile having been smashed.
So i just cannot leave him home alone

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thesecondcoming · 07/08/2010 21:25

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scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 21:25

tles,perhaps venting your anger/frustration about son on mn isnt particularly helpful.for you or him.in fact you just end up in verbal tennis he said/i said.

TheLadyEvenstar · 07/08/2010 21:28

He has decent parenting.

I am not perfect by a long shot, nor do I pretend to be something I am not, I made mistakes in the past and I am aware of that and them. I have also spent many hours and months, years trying to undo what I have done. I am waiting for SS to visit - Tuesday- along with other people who are involved.

Now to pose the question again...

If one child hits another and the other one hits back aibu to think they got what they deserved?

For example 6yr old nephew and 10 yr old nephew

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scottishmummy · 07/08/2010 21:30

no dont pose question again you are just mixing it.for no good reason

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