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AIBU?

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to think you cannot possibly support a family on 29K?

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AliceBlackwell · 30/07/2010 13:35

Please please please tell me I AM being unreasonable! My DH has been offered a wonderful job which he would love to take, but the pay is only 29K. Taking the job would mean leaving London, and while I do appreciate that salaries do drop outside London, I really fear that this is just not enough money to support a family.

Back story: we do not have children yet, plan on TTC in a few months. I am self-employed; when we have a baby I will have to stop work (at least for a few months) and will have no income. We have no savings, having recently finished paying off debt (credit cards, old student loans etc.) and do not own a house. This will mean moving to a new city, renting, trying to save for a mortgage, hopefully starting a family - all on 29K!

I have namechanged to prepare for inevitable flaming. I don't mind being told I am being unreasonable/ridiculous - I hope I am! It just seems such a huge drop from what we are earning now, and believe me, it doesn't feel like we are living the high life.
Please tell me money goes much further outside London, and that it would be possible to have a comfortable life on this money. I didn't grow up in the UK, and have only been living here a couple of years, so don't really have any point of reference apart from London. I know that we haemorrhage money just opening the front door here.

Looking forward to being told IABU.

OP posts:
pippylongstockings · 30/07/2010 21:03

My house ins could be cheaper but we have a very extensive/expensive defatco rated 5 star policy due to a) being burgled once and want to make sure it is alway simple to claim b) my son dropping our laptop and it not being covered on our old policy.

I think £100 per week = £450 per month on food to be reasonable, we do spend prob about £15 of this on wine which we could cut out I guess. But other than that don't eat huge joints of beef or anything - much more likely to make mince into spagbol and last 5 meals....

Don't do childcare vouchers at work.

MrsC2010 · 30/07/2010 21:05

As an idea, here is our rough cost break down. The savings cover annual costs: house insurance, car tax and insurance, holiday spending money, Christmas extras etc etc. We also have lump sum savings as well that we don't touch.

Mortgage 1 £304.00
TV License £12.12
Pet insurance £9.59
Pet insurance £13.99
Life Assurance joint £13.37
Gas and Elec £65.00
Council Tax £141.00
Vodafone Mobile £35.00
Virgin Telephone/BB £40.00
H S A £7.35
Pet food £25.00
Account charge £12.95
Food/household £250.00
Petrol £50.00
Socialising £100.00
Water £16.50
Sewerage £16.50
Savings £100.00
Loan Repayment £230

musicposy · 30/07/2010 21:05

You'd be fine, LittleRedDragon. We're on only a couple of K much more than you, have two children, and I'm a fab parent .

It can be an emotive subject and makes me a bit when I hear people saying they can't survive on much, much more than we earn. But then I am aware that expenditure tends to rise to meet income, whatever your income is. We have to be very careful with money, don't have expensive holidays, only run one old banger car, house pretty modest and, quite frankly, falling to bits. But then, my girls go ice skating and have dance lessons, and other people might look at us and think we are able to spend money on luxuries.

In my opinion 29K will be absolutely fine outside of London (we're South which is expensive too), as long as you're careful. I guess the issue for OP is if you want to have to be careful.

pippylongstockings · 30/07/2010 21:13

MrsC - you have no childcare costs ? Lucky you, it eats up a huge chunk of our income - also how do you feed your family on £55 per week ?

I need money saving tips as it seems my weekly spend of £100 for a family of 4 is out of kilter.

musicposy · 30/07/2010 21:14

I think, MrsC, we save from you by not having life, health or pet insurance (has to be a hope for the best approach), mobile phone contracts, socialising costs (we literally never go out except to friends houses) or any type of saving schemes or loan repayments. We also spend next to nothing on food (we're all very slim!), probably £50 a week for the 4 of us. That's how we afford the dance lessons. It's all about cutting back on what you're not bothered about to afford what you are.

But our mortgage is £600 a month for a very modest 3 bed terraced house on an estate, so that's a huge chunk and I guess part of the penalty of living in the south of England. I was shocked at the cheap house prices posted earlier - our on-an-estate 3 bed, very small, terraced houses are selling for around 250K at the moment .

Slashtrophe · 30/07/2010 21:15

Just to add something - Bristol schools are well known for being the worst in the country - which is why there are so many private schools there. I would never move to Bristol for that reason.

tyler80 · 30/07/2010 21:17

Mortgage £304.00

In my dreams

The difference between this and our rent equates to around 6k a year in pre tax wages

asouthwoldmummy · 30/07/2010 21:17

ONLY 29k????
Are you serious? DH earns 18k and I don't work. We have a mortgage and get by fine. It's all about priorities. If you can't afford that expensive skirt as well as the weekly groceries then don't buy it!!!

MrsC2010 · 30/07/2010 21:18

Ah, I have not yet given birth to our first! (Hence being in the same boat as the OP so I thought our costs would be relevant.) Baby due on Sunday...fingers crossed. Food/household for £55 odd a week is easy but there are only 2 of us.

We won't have childcare costs as I'm staying home I think.

I must admit our socialising cost is really just 'extras', we don't tend to 'go out' much though we will have the odd take-away etc etc.

MrsC2010 · 30/07/2010 21:18

Yes, we don't have a huge mortgage it's true.

MrsC2010 · 30/07/2010 21:19

I really must put everything in one post. House prices are crazy bonkers where we are, minimum of around £250K for a 3 bed terrace. Very few bargains to be had...the joys of the South Coast.

musicposy · 30/07/2010 21:20

£50 a week to feed a family of 4? We buy literally no junk. No biscuits, cakes, sweets or chocolate and no deserts except fruit. I basically buy dinners only, fruit and veg, bread and marmite for lunch, big boxes of cornflakes, and milk and teabags. That's it. I cook in big batches to feed 8 and freeze half. I make sure to cook only the quantity I need - I weigh out pasta and rice etc, so we don't waste food. We do it easily on £50, sometimes less.

IMoveTheStars · 30/07/2010 21:21

wow, I am at some peoples mortgage payments. £304? haaa. ahhahaaaa ahahhaa

sorry, I'll compose myself.

We were recently paying £1250pcm, thankfully it has dropped to £720 a month (and I did the mother of all happy dances when this happened). We live in a 2.5 bed terrace in the South West.

We also have other debts to the grand sum of approx £611 a month.

tis not fun

drosophila · 30/07/2010 21:25

It really is all about your outgoings and your mortgage/rent will probably be the biggest outgoing. My mortgage is about £1100 and it is a modest house in a pretty crappy part of London.

If you are taking home about £1800 then this gives you 700 to feed, clothe and entertain a family. Then you have to pay for council tax etc.....

If your mortgage is about £300 then much more manageable.

SoriaMoria · 30/07/2010 21:39

Please tell me where you live with a mortgage of 3.5k per month?! OP, it's daunting and scary but there's good advice on here. You'll be fine. Do a budget and be sensible about food shopping. The advice about bulk cooking and freezing is spot on. My DH set up his own business last year. We had no income for 6 months. Zilch. We lived off savings but less than your DH salary would equate to. I budgeted (am sahm) and was sensible. Admittedly only 6 months but it can be done. It is all about priorities.

Good luck. You'll be fine.

pippylongstockings · 30/07/2010 21:42

But still £50 is very little.

We spend £6 on milk, £3 on bread, £15 on fruit and veg with top ups in the week £10 on butter yogurts cheese £5 on soups for lunches £3 pasta and rice £8 tinned tuna/beans/sweetcorn/tinned toms £15 meat (sausages/mince/bacon/chicken) £5 tea and coffee fruit juice so no crusps chocolate etc in there but then there are all the household items washing powder toilet rolls fabric softener bleach washing up liquid toothpaste shampoo bubble bath shower gel wet wipes razor blades hair mouse anti perspirant light bulbs batteries etc there is something on that list every week.

Ryuk · 30/07/2010 21:45

DP and I are on less than half of that. We have two cats and are expecting a baby in January, and expect to do just fine.

Having said that, we do live in a cheap area (and I was fortunate enough to find a run down affordable house after a bit of searching), let out a spare room to a friend, and are used to fairly tight budgeting.

If you're used to more, learning to get by on less might be difficult, but it partly depends on how you approach it. As long as you do some research and are realistic about what you can afford, you should be fine.

Ryuk · 30/07/2010 21:51

I find hand making bread, cookies etc saves somewhat, as does buying reduced veg from market stalls/reduced section at tescos and combining with tesco-value pasta or rice to make giant freezable oven bakes.

Not that I'm turning domestic or anything.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 30/07/2010 22:09

£3.5k would be the repayments on the big 4 bed terraced house that was just sold down the road from me in stoke newington, with a 20% deposit and a 4% rate.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 30/07/2010 22:13

which went for 850k which is probably the more important piece of information.

JaneS · 30/07/2010 22:19

Thanks Jareth, Scurry, mrsDeVere. I suspect I am overly touchy about this, but it does bother me. Surely the question is not, 'can I support a family', but 'can I keep living a particular lifestyle'?

AliceBlackwell · 30/07/2010 22:41

Wow. I've been out all afternoon and have arrived home to see all this. Thank you to everyone who has been so reassuring. To those who feel upset, I'm really sorry - that was absolutely not my intention! Maybe my post was a bit naive or thoughtlessly worded; I am sorry. I certainly never meant to belittle anyone or make anyone feel judged.

I should say that this has made me realise I do indeed live in a bubble. As I mentioned in my first post, I haven't been living in Britain that long, and my only experience has been London. All my friends live like we do - huge rent bills, high incomes, lots of fun, no children. Now we are thinking of moving on to the next stage. As someone said earlier, the biological clock just keeps on ticking. We have been talking about moving out of London, as I just can't see how we could ever afford a mortgage. We do not live in a fancy part of town, just ordinary suburban north London, but the flat we rent sold for nearly 400K just before we moved in, and costs us 2K a month in rent. You can see why I thought I must be seeing things when I read that some of you have monthly mortgage payments of less than £500! We cannot get a mortgage without a minimum 20% deposit (I think it is higher as I am self-employed) and I cannot conceive of having saved 40-50K over the last couple of years! Someone earlier made the point that many people bought into the property market at a time when mortgages were easier to come by, and would struggle to be offered one now.

Someone mentioned that I was 'whingeing' about earning 'only' 29K. Please don't feel that way; it is simply not the case. I am not whingeing or complaining about anything. I've had a wonderful time living in London, working harder than I've ever thought possible to establish myself, getting to know the city. But now it is time to move on, and my DH and I are discussing where and how. I came on to ask advice as our hypothetical situation is outside the realms of my experience for three reasons: I have never lived outside London; I have never had children; I have never had a household income of 29K. Put those three things together and you get a situation I may be in next year. I am curious and apprehensive, and sought reassurance here. I really am genuinely sorry if I came across as whingeing.

Someone asked what our income is at the moment. I am embarrassed to say I really don't know exactly. Being self-employed, my income is rather peripatetic: money appears in differing amounts at differing times. I couldn't tell you what I earn without asking my accountant, but I imagine our combined income to be somewhere around 100K. I feel disgracefully embarrassed to admit that, as I can see how other people know to the last penny where there money goes, and I really don't pay much attention to mine, either on its way in or out. Most of our friends are on similar incomes, with similar lives, so yes, I admit I do live in a bubble.

Obviously there are many things we can do without, and places we can cut back. I don't get home from work til about 10pm most nights, so we tend to eat out rather a lot. We don''t have a car, so take taxis quite a bit. We fly to the other side of the world every year, as that is where I am from, and there is always a wedding/funeral/family reunion to go to. Having read this thread very carefully, I will now start to work out where our money goes and how we could manage it better. There are some really helpful posts here, which I will read again over the next few days.

So, thanks everyone. I feel like a chastised child - and I am sure I needed to hear that not only am I being unreasonable, I also need to grow up and start acting much responsibly. I have heard you loud and clear.
(And sorry again to anyone who was offended or felt I was somehow implying that people earning 29K or less are bad parents - absolutely not the case).

OP posts:
NonnoMum · 30/07/2010 22:51

Alice - what a great post.

If there's one thing I've learnt in life is that people spend money differently.

Glad you have enjoyed the London lifestyle; I did when I lived there.

What's brilliant is that you are thinking about your change in lifestyle/income etc before you embark on it. Good for you. You go for it.

I've never been as broke as I am now (we got asked if we could contribute £500 for a family present the other day and I nearly cried), but my three blondey babies make it all worthwhile...

CHUNKYMUNKEY · 30/07/2010 22:55

We live in an Outer London suberb, (me, dp and 2 dds), have a mortgage and live on 30k per annum.

It is fine and entirely doable. It would probably depend on your outgoings as to how you would manage. Do a realistic budget, im assuming you would get Tax Credits of some sort plus Child Benefit to add to your income.

I cut costs in loads of ways, buying nearly new toys, clothes etc. We also have a mortgage of £700 pm for a 3 bed mid terrace, small home but cosy and very happy for what i have. I am an sahm.

If you want a flash house, flash car, 3 foreign holidays a year then you wont get that lifestyle on 29k.

Stephief · 30/07/2010 22:56

Hi,

Its hard to adjust when you have such a reduction in your income, but £29k is still a decent amount and is livable, you may just have to change how you live!

Oh and I had a combined salary of £100k, until he was diagnosed with a life limiting condition and we ended up on benefits! We get more, thanks to dla and premiums, than many people who are on benefits, which then incurs comments about us being better off than most working people, but going from a massive combined salary to what we get now was still a struggle for us, though a few years down the line we manage fine! You just change how you live because you have to. Yanbu being concerned though, thats just normal!