To think that if you are working class you are NOT irredeemable worthless scum?

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Lots of lovely attitudes shown on the 'is breastfeeding a middle class thing' thread.

How smug can you get?

Hands up if you are working class and not a stupid, uneducated, druggie, selfish, malnourished and mindless waste of space.

Oh God the clowns...I still have nightmares...

like this Crying boy - oh yeah I remember him at nan's house.

She had the Blue Boy in an intricate frame too.

Little porcelain boys though in light blue - had those.

Morris I normally hate cut and pasting from one thread to t'other but some of those comments on that thread were plain insulting. Replace working class with the word 'black', 'Indian' 'gypsy' and you will see.

I never said anywhere on this thread or that that anybody had said the words in my thread title, but that is the feeling I exptrapolated from those posts.

Would help if I pasted quotes:

Maybe people in deprived areas don't care about the benefits as much.

Some of the reasons I have heard people give for formula-feeding may be linked to class

eg

• reading tabloids and seeing breasts as sexual objects

• having a partner who is out of work/works short hours so is available to share bottle-feeding

• wanting to go out and get drunk/take drugs

• wanting to get back on the pill quickly (DPs dont like condoms)

• wanting to get pregnant again quickly

• having family/friends who are not comfortable with breastfeeding in front of them

• not being able to afford nursing bras

• having babies who were premature/low birthweight so had trouble sucking or needed more frequent feeds

I met my mummy friends at a BF group and we are all professionals (if that's a way of defining class - who cares?). I've met lots of other mummies at other groups, and live in a fairly deprived town, and none of the non-professional mums (WC? or chavs?) have BF.

Who gives a shit?

But none of the above things were used to condemn all WC people, they were factors that might influence people.

The poster who said that at her BF group they were all professionsls - isn't she just reporting a fact, not a judgement?

Lots of this is just fact, and yes, you could also substitute the word black. Black people in our country do have lower incomes, lower life chances etc, in general.

Somebody on that thread said that the drug thing was irrelevant as that would more likely be 'upper class and students'. Well yes, students are generally heavy drinkers etc.

Again, that's a fact, not an opinion or judgement.

I just don't see the point of taking offence at what is verifiable fact: in deprived areas, more people take drugs, FF, etc etc etc.

Just last week there was a report into life expectancy based upon where you live. There is something like 10 years difference between your life expectancy in Glasgow and in Kensington for example. This isn't a judgement - it has been statistically verified.

Will all Glaswegians die of alcoholism before they see 50? Of course not. Are all residents of Kensington pampered toffs with private medical attention etc? Of course not.

But general comparisons can be drawn, and in fact need to be drawn, so that resources can be targeted where most needed.

Oh the crying boy!!! My Nan had him in her front room, next to a velvet coat of arms that someone gave her from a trip to county antrim.

I'm with GOML - you don'y just become middle class because you get educated and your circumstances change. So much of what you believe and your core values remain the same.

I consider myself working class with brass ( which annoys the MCs more than the underclass)

I really don't get the Asda bashing on here. Perhaps I've just been lucky but the three that I've visited are all quite nice. I've seen no incidents of so called 'chavvy' behaviour in any of them.

Now one is admittedly in a very upmarket area,the other two in quite nice areas but really I don't get the fear/horror of Asda that's so prevalent on here.

I shop in everything from M&S to Sainburys,Tesco,Lidl,Morrisons and Asda and I've yet to have a bad experience in any of them.

Even upper class dp rather enjoys wandering around our nearest.

Me too lettherebe. I use Asda every week. Seems Ok to me

I haven't been to Asda as there isn't one within walking/easy bus distance.

Would be like Kmart wouldn't it? Are they both Walmart subsidiaries? I like Kmart.

I'm also bemused by the foods that are called 'poncey'. I loathe that word anyway but really, gnocchi is poncy?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has no problem with Asda. I was beginning to wonder if I was delusional.

Well I am well used to the same ASda branches as both Ormirian and SixtyFootDoll (one where I am now, one from where we were before) and tbh they were fiiiiine

I don't use them now if I can help it but that's reduced range of the special foods my kids need and nothing to dow tih snobbery

Asda online are shite (and there is a thread about it right now) but tbh if you become unnecessarily upset by a few people in jogging suits and sporting ponytails then I fear you are stuffed anyway.

I like my values, and I think it's a bit of a sahem that my kids ahve very MC Church school ones instead- I'd not choose otherwise as I suspect rheir lives will be slightly easier for it but if what I grew up with as a set of values- tight family, huge work ethic, community (and I don't mean the MC 'my charities ladies that lunch ' sort of community') and a great Christmas even if means going without all year- is WC then so be it, I like them noinethless (in RL I suspect they are as common amongst WC as MC people maybe with teh exception of The Sacred Rite Of Excessive Christmas, something both I and my dad get great joy from)

I've obviously been lucky with Asda online as I've never had a problem with them either.

I've also never seen anyone with a jogging suit on either,in any of the three Asdas, but I wouldn't care,or pay much attention to them, if they had.

Oh I have but I don't care about it

And to be fair joggers fairly standard wear here, at least mroe so than back home (sixtyfoot may be on to thump me in a mo LOL)

Given a free choice I use Waitriose as they ahve an online search engine that selects everything that is dairy free so I don't have tos tick to shitty specilaist brands that cost the earth and taste of it too

I don't have a free choice atm so I combine ASDA with the local butchers and Stokes, is all fine if a bit harder work (reading labels- can take a few hours with a alrge family)

I do quite often see people in walking gear however stocking up in our nearest branch. We live along a very popular walking route and there are dozens of the buggers, who often throw litter into our garden,but that's a topic for another day.

You'd think all supermarkets would be able to show all the gluten/dairy/nut free etc options on their website,when such allergies are so common.

Blummin heck... When I was about 10 and my mum got a boyfriend (so two wages coming into the house) I knew we were rich cos we could afford to go Asda.

Tbh I have trouble fitting in with either most MC people or most WC people.

My MC friends assume I have a uni education and parents who own a nice detached property and call me 'dahling.' They assume I have married someone who has to wear a suit to go to work.

I married a warehouseman, no education, am estranged from orrible fecking parents who own a detached house in a shitty part of town, hahaha. And I live in a nex-council house. There, I said it!

My WC friends think I'm weird as I eat weird food (tofu lentils brie and so on, cafetiere etc) buy fairtrade stuff, have ethnic jewellery and a fair bit of Next and White Stuff clothing. Fairly expensive shoes and boots sort of thing. Also I am educated, but self educated, iyswim.

Add that to the fact that we have a house and a smallholding, both mortgage free, you can see why I'm so confused. Upper working lower middle class? It just gets silly.

Tried to breastfeed. Found it orgasmic but didn't have hardly any milk due to huuuge bloodloss and anameia. Hey ho.

I know LetThereBe, but hey ho!

And LOL at walkers; we have issues here with drawing back our curtains to find Japanese tourists taking pictures of the exterior of our bog standard for the area mill cottage most disoncerting when you are in your PJ's of a weekend!

I'm middle class but am currently scrounging benefits. I am downwardly mobile!

WOuld you ever even consider eating a carbohydrate based sandwich filling IN a white bread sandwich?

Would you put ketchup on said sandwich?

Would you eat it over the sink to save on washing up?

And now the ThunderBall - would you offer one to your friend?

And

Is paper of typing involved in your job except to write up what you have been doing all day?

If so, MC

Chip butties!

yes, yes, yes and yes.

'cept I like HP sauce instead of tomato sauce.

Has to have margarine as well, not real butter.