To think banning the burka

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Is a waste of time? If people want to wear it then they will. Let them be!

I am born in a Muslim country, so yes, technically I'm considered Muslim. Although I am not religious, I have had a rather thorough education in this subject and have many friends and relatives who are devout Muslims, including my late grandfather who was Hajji. He never had a beard, incidentally.

You would know about Salah without having to believe the entire body of Hadith because it is one of the five pillars of Islam. Salah is also mentioned many times in the Quran.

However, you don't have to follow everything that Mohammad supposedly say if they are not also mentioned in the Quran, which, as I said before, is "complete, fully detailed, and perfect".

"fgs what has female circumcision got to do with it, we dont have to do that"

You don't have to wear a burqa, either.

Or do you think you do?

No ones chopping my bits and pieces off today, thank you!

i know but quran doesnt give you the exact method thats my point, would you know 3 ruka for maghrib for example? no.. cos it doesnt say

no i already said i dont think covering face is compulsory, its on the 1st page of thread! but i do accept people having the view its compulsory & that view is valid, cos there is ikhtilaf on this but covering hair & body yes its compulsory if someone wants to follow islam properly. altho i think if they dont want its up to them but will be getting sin for it, however i would leave them to it not force

& just to add following hadiths as well as quran doesnt make quran any less perfect

Who wrote the Koran, btw?

Quran says "pray". How exactly you pray is tradition. Hadith do not explain enough about the rakaat and how exactly to do the salah.

Quran also says that Quran is perfect, fully detailed, and complete. Therefore, you don't need any additional bits of information to be a good Muslim.

This is the third time I am saying this. Please give me a sign that you understand what I am saying. I'm not sure at this point, also because you don't sound like a native speaker of English.

Allah apparently, by dictating it to Muhammed, which is why it is supposedly "complete, fully detailed, and perfect".

Firawla, how can you on one hand not think it is compulsory to cover the face but then say you accept people having the view that it is compulsory? Just because they are following a set of rules that have been made up by someone along the way surely should not make it ok for them to say it is compulsory in order to be a devout muslim.

its from Allah and was memorised verbally by the Prophet (saws) and many others @ that time then collected onto paper/book form soon after his death, some had been written down before that during his life time too

I understand it was a man!

melika - Muslims believe that Quran was "written" by God himself.

Mohammed was a man who interpreted it?

i am a native speaker of english! just my typing is not that good
wild mutt because i accept differences of opinion

kids just woke up so got to go, just so you dont think ive run off without answering qs

Re what Firawla said about "to get them used to it", a friend of mine recently said that she wished her parents thought that way. Neither she nor her siblings were encouraged to wear the hijab when they were children but when she grew up she decided that she'd start because she wanted to be a good Muslim. Yet she said she found it a hassle because it was something new to her that she hadn't been used to and wished her parents had made them wear it like any other standard item of clothing.

Don't know really, I can't relate to that as my sisters and I didn't wear hijab either (though my mother did) but three of us out of four wear it now as adults, but I can see that it must be a valid reason for some people. I don't think they do it because they anticipate that the children will refuse it.

Seriously a young girl wearing the hijab is like me asking my three year old to wear a low cut/crop top. What 'ornaments' has a young girl to cover? And why at puberty must a girl take the responsibility for a man's lust?

Nobody said that a young girl has 'ornaments' to cover. That's your own rather weird assumption. A poster above mentioned "getting them used to it" and also copying their mothers, the latter which I think is the most common reason.

It's completely inappropriate attire for young girls. Not a weird assumption, a logical conclusion. Same as a western girl wearing heels and a boob tube, in my book.

No I disagree. It's nothing like little western girls wearing heels and boob tubes. There's nothing inappropriate about a young girl covering her hair. Pointless, maybe. That's like saying it's inappropriate for a young girl to be wearing a full one piece swimming costume instead of just a pair of bottoms since they don't have anything to hide on top. Totally flawed logic, you just want to see something negative in this case when there is none. Not the point you are making anyway.

Yes Shades why do they?!

just because some are made to does not mean all are made to - I know a few women who make a very clear choice to wear a burkha or cover their heads, to show religious conviction. (ie: women who's sisters/mothers don't choose to)

Basically the men are 'running the whole show' aren't they - to pinch a quote from another thread. Is it because they are very insecure then these men that prefer women to cover up. If so, why are they so insecure, and why are women taken in by this?

Animation No, that simply isn't true.

Completely true, it's about control.

Wonders if any 'clergy' are women in Islam.

we dont have clergy in the same way as in christianity. yes there can be and are women scholars though, but not imam (imams just lead the prayer they are not exactly clergy)

banning what we can and cant wear is a lot more about control than a woman chosing herself to wear niqaab