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The support thread for anyone trying to lead an alcohol free life.

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WendyWagon · 30/06/2024 08:50

Hello and welcome. We are a bunch of people (mainly women) trying to give up alcohol. No judgement, just honest support and kindness
The original thread was started by @drybird2020 in 2020 and we have plenty of veterans who can offer advice and signposting.

We don't encourage moderation purely as it can be triggering for some to read.

I'm Wendy and I'll be the captain of the ship for the next two months or so.
I gave up drinking in January 2022.

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Sortingmyselfoutdayatatime · 02/08/2024 21:56

Home from holiday. The thread has gone mad today
have skim read
congratulations all those sober days and business opportunities
will read all properly tomorrow
today for me 2 week sober holiday. Welcome wine untouched. That’s a win

Itsrainingten · 02/08/2024 22:41

@WendyWagon fabulous news. Congrats. And @Sortingmyselfoutdayatatime well done on the sober holiday!

Souredgrapes · 02/08/2024 23:17

I’ve tried , I’m trying and i know this is the place for those of us are at least part way through our sober goal . I’m trying so hard . But I’m failing . I think with good reason but we all have good reason so mine is no better than the rest . How do I get beyoi d 5 days . Even with everything that’s exploded in my face .

Itsrainingten · 03/08/2024 07:10

I'm sorry @Souredgrapes I think you need to really believe (not just "know") that drinking doesn't help you. Whatever else is going on in your life, alcohol just makes it worse. Have you read any sober lit? I think that was a big turning point for me.

WendyWagon · 03/08/2024 07:42

Good morning all.
@Souredgrapes i am sorry its so hard.
Have you thought about joining Smart? I don't think there's a charge. AA is certainly free.
My motivation to give up drinking came from my kids. They were really suffering.
I didn't want them to hate me.
I put myself to bed when I get tempted. I wouldn't go to the shop in pyjamas so I'm safe then. I am fussy re the poison so even though there is rum, whisky & Baileys I don't drink that, never have.
Have you got a close friend you could ring? My BFF was invaluable. I chewed her ear off.

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ShyMaryEllen · 03/08/2024 08:51

I much preferred hypnosis tracks to 'quit lit', which I found just reminded me of drinking. I got some sleep headphones and built a routine around bedtime, having a scented bath and getting into a made bed with scented oils in the bedroom. If I couldn't sleep I'd watch mindless TV, and when I got tired I'd put the headphones on (mine are an eye mask as well) and listen to the relaxing hypnosis whilst I fell asleep.

I don't know if the hypnosis worked or if it was just the routine, but when I drank it was always at night, and I really believed that I wouldn't sleep unless I pretty much passed out. Convincing myself that I could go to bed sober and sleep was huge for me, and making bed a pleasant place to be really helped with that.

Souredgrapes · 03/08/2024 09:41

Good morning all , thank you for the mentions. I said last night I’m trying , clearly I’m not . I couldn’t wait for Friday night to come any sooner. But I do want this so I will redouble my strength and try harder.
ive spent the morning so far reading the last few days posts . You are an amazing lot . Supportive , human , and struggling with so much sh!t , literally and proverbially ( I’m falling in love with Sid too now ).

I would like to be sone kind of help while I’m here . For now though, I know I need a bit of propping up .
Little things I can mention tho include .
@WendyWagon . I used the diet medication last year for 6 months , I never ever felt sick . Not everyone does . I lost 3 stones and have not put it back on .
@Womanshour . I’m going g on holiday too next week . I’m dreading aspects of it . If we can support each other in any way via this group I’ll check in every day .

I have read all the quit lit but not Sober Dave so I will get that one downloaded today and revisit sone of the others . I’ll tap in to Sober Fish on social media , I like her a lot .

I am such an idiot , in a lot of physical pain right now from my broken rib ( car crash 3 weeks ago ) and I dare not take a pain killer until last nights wine is out of my system . I feel asleep on my back rather than propped up so that’s not helping . I was also v fed up of being very constipated despite taking laxatives daily. With all reasonable decision making switch off last night I decided to finish to packet and took 7!!!!!! Needless to say , I’m house bound this morning . But I can see the funny side of that I suppose . And on that note . I have to go. Again .

Souredgrapes · 03/08/2024 09:43

@ShyMaryEllen . I’ll look into the hypnosis stuff. Thanks for the advice .

Womanshour · 03/08/2024 10:02

Hi @Souredgrapes sounds like a plan - I go on holiday a week today. I plan to check in everyday (at least once...) to keep me focused. I'll check in on you. I've had a fall from sobriety so I feel pretty wobbly right now.

Sober powered a podcast is amazing. There are loads of episodes and you can pick what are the issues for you. For example a big trigger for me is just wanting to switch my brain off, that's one of the biggest reasons I have drunk and 'fallen out' of the wagon. I have found it really helpful. I can not tell you how many day 1s I have done. But I have managed many day 2s and some longer stretches alcohol free (even one block of nearly 2 years). We just have to keep going and experimenting to find what works for us.

I have a sober app recommended on here (I have: I am Sober). I have 2 reasons on there which help me often.

  1. It'll kill me if I carry on, I'm a mum...
  2. I can not have one drink. Alcohol is grim for me as soon as I have some I start an awful dance, enough to quiet the internal voice that I need more but not too much that I look like a drinker, and I reveal this shitty side of me. It's bloody exhausting.

Even though I know this it's such a hard battle. Work out the reasons you need to do something different. Look into the in person support others have said. Keep posting here. All we can do is take this a day at a time, and plan for the harder days. X

WendyWagon · 03/08/2024 10:10

@Souredgrapes i find apricots and rhubarb do the trick for me. I was given anitriptalin at Christmas for sleep and nerve pain and it ruined my system. I came off it pretty sharpish I was also a bit Woodstock🙄
The two things that resonated in the sober Dave book were the 'not good enough' and the effect on my children.
I had a pretty sh*t childhood and so did he. He even addresses male drinking versus female which I think is hugely different. Most threads on MN say they're the same, I beg to differ. I think some of the SMART classes are women only.
I read Byronny Gordon at the beginning of my journey and it just made me angry. I couldn't see any pararels. The risk taking was so awful. I adore Rachel's Holiday by Marion Keyes but it is a novel based on her real life experience of rehab. It's laugh out loud.
I'm lazing around but I need to post my ebay stuff and spend the money!

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Womanshour · 03/08/2024 10:24

Thank you @WendyWagon I have ordered Rachel's Holiday! I needed a new book and that sounds perfect.

EastCoastDamsel · 03/08/2024 10:50

Morning, lurgy not shifting and I feel miserable ☹️. DH is being amazing and really kind and letting me stay in bed all morning.

Welcome home @Sortingmyselfoutdayatatime and well done on the sober holiday!

@Souredgrapes I'm still early in my journey but for me, one day I realised properly (not just in my head, I knew that for quite a long time before really) that alcohol was just not serving me. That it was making me MORE miserable not less and that I was doing thing I felt ashamed of.

It helped that I have 2 very good role models in sobriety who have been "Clean and Serene" for multiple years in the family and admitting to myself that I cannot (and actually don't want) "just one drink". I want the bottle, I desire the numbness and oblivion and the permission it gave me to be an arsehole.

I also became aware of the really awful example I was setting for the DC regarding adult "fun" and "relaxation".

Things that have helped me was to Reframe (I am using the Reframe app, which isn't free but I am finding very helpful) my attitude to alcohol and to realise that instead of denying myself or "not being allowed a drink", I am allowing myself to be present and to experience life in full. That I choose every day to be present and that I will not question the decision to stop drinking (NQTD is a popular acronym in the sober community "Never Question The Decision").

I have found that I occasionally have these little thoughts of, "Well, I wasn't really THAT bad" or "Surely a problem drinker would find it more difficult to be sober, so I can't be one" and that NQTD really helps. It also helps me to trigger memories of when it WAS bad and all the regrets, 3am wake ups, anxiety, guilt etc etc.

Sorry for all the rambling l, but I do highly recommend:

  1. a good supportive App, where you can track your progress, accountability (I use Reframe, others use the IAM Sober App)
  2. Tell someone, someone who REALLY cares about your sobriety nd takes you seriously, who believes in you and will support you). Check in with them everyday. More than once a day of you need to. (This can be AA, NA, on an app, someone IRL. Bit I do recommend that there is at least one real.life person you tell)
  3. Find and write down your "Why". I prefer the "Why I Am sober" version to "Why I quit" because that is a positive framing.
  4. find something (anything) to be grateful for every day.
  5. Identify you triggers (these could be places, times of day, emotional states, people etc) and make a plan for a displacement activity. Friday and Saturday nights can be particularly difficult, and in the first few weeks I basically "knocked off" at 5pm, had a batch, a Shakti and meditation and elaborate along care routine and took myself to bed.
  6. succumb to the sugar cravings initially. Your body is really used to have a quick hit of energy and replacing that with sweets initially is fine. It really, really helps. You can tackle the sugar later.
EastCoastDamsel · 03/08/2024 10:51

I have bought Rachel's holiday on my Kobo to read in bed today 😁

ShyMaryEllen · 03/08/2024 11:45

Souredgrapes · 03/08/2024 09:43

@ShyMaryEllen . I’ll look into the hypnosis stuff. Thanks for the advice .

I liked Craig Beck's tracks. He's on Audible, and you can get a free trial on there, download them then cancel. Another good one is Glenn Harold. He's on an app called Relax And Sleep Well. The tracks are cheap - about £3.99 each, and there are several about drinking, and more general relaxation ones. Steve G Jones is good too, but a lot more expensive.

There's a lot out there, and much of it is just personal taste, but they are the ones I found most useful, with Craig Beck my favourite.

REP22 · 03/08/2024 20:08

@Souredgrapes oh sweetheart. I am so sorry life is repeatedly kicking you in the proverbials at the moment, the car crash and everything. You don't deserve this. I know how much you are hurting - outside and inside - at the moment and that every small thing feels almost impossible. I wish I had a magic word or spell to make it all go away and heal your hurts in one instant. I really wish I did, but I know that no words really help. I have been where you are right now. I remember every single second of it and how desperately grim it was.

You are not alone. You are not a bad person. We don't hate you for having been drinking. One thing that I have taken from this thread, and one of the reasons why it means so much to me, on an ongoing basis - when we sympathise and say we care about you - we mean it.

I can only echo what the wiser folks on here have already said - I was going to say pretty much what @EastCoastDamsel has posted. But I will add my own thoughts, if you'll both indulge and forgive me.

I did try AA - they were welcoming and friendly but it wasn't for me. At first because there were people there who I viewed as "worse than me" and developed a mindset along the lines of "well, I can't be an alcoholic because I'm not as bad as THAT poor s#d", which was highly unhelpful (and not true). I approached my GP for help and was referred to an addiction recovery service called Inclusion, where I had a support worker and attended SMART recovery sessions (Self-Help Addiction Recovery | UK Smart Recovery), which I did find helpful. They also offered online sessions. Inclusion certainly helped me a great deal; I can't speak highly enough of them. Inclusion website: Drug & Alcohol Services - Inclusion - hopefully they might have a service in your area to help, or they may be able to advise if you reach out to them.

SMART recovery and the support was very helpful. But ultimately I was successful because I wanted to be. I knew I was killing myself, the effects were becoming more and more obvious, along with the impacts on my lasting health future. I was ashamed of myself and the miserable existence that I was living and condemning my dog to live as well. I wanted sobriety. So, I engaged properly with the support on offer, faced the issues and somehow got through it.

I am going to link to this MN thread - but I will warn you that it is grim reading and upsetting. I'm linking it because it spoke to me in ways that others had not, about the reality of what awaited me if I did not stop drinking. And sooner, rather than later at the rate I was then going. I do not want to frighten you - or anyone - but I knew for certain that this is where I was heading, and it gave me sufficient pause. Approach with caution, and know that I am only sharing this from a place of kind concern: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/4785295-the-reality-of-the-end?page=1

I found Clare Pooley's book "The Sober Diaries" extremely helpful and, later, also "The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober" by Catherine Gray. The One for the Road podcast by Sober Dave was also good, though I am not really a podcast person. I now use the I Am Sober app on my phone (it's free). I took each day as it came (a cliche but it works) and celebrated each sober morning internally, and each returning sober feeling. I began to look at alcohol like a poison, slowly killing me. You wouldn't put alcohol into your car's petrol tank - it would destroy the engine. It's the same for humans.

I did it for myself, because I needed/wanted to. I hated being reliant on the bus (I surrendered my driving licence voluntarily as I knew I was becoming unsafe and choosing drinking over everything else. It took me five years to get my licence back and even now I still have to have annual medicals. And this was from a voluntary surrender. Not a drink driving incident. Alas, when it comes to drinking, it can sometimes boil down to having to make the choice of which one you want more: a driving licence or drinking? Because - especially as the level of drinking creeps up (it always does, obviously or by stealth. I'm not going to say what I was putting away at my worst points, though I will if asked) - you can't have both. Is it worth not being able to drive because you want a few glasses of wine of an evening? After a number of years, I made the choice that the booze was not worth it - though only after years of enslavement to possibly the UK's sh£ttiest bus service.) And I was feeling like sh#t, firstly most days at times, then some times every day, then all the time, every day. But mostly I did it for the dog. They deserved better than the me I was. The look in their eyes when I poured yet another glass. It pierced my soul.

I hated myself. I still do, really, a lot of the time. But drinking doesn't help that. It makes it worse. Alcohol is a depressant drug; that's a scientifically-proven fact. I take anti-depressants every day; I have done since I was a child and will until the day I die, probably. That's OK. But they were counter-productive when I was drinking. The booze cancelled out any effect that my prescription was having. I think it's the idea of drinking that pulls us, rather than the drinking itself.

I'm another one who cannot moderate. I just can't. So I must not have any in the house. Harder than ever on Fridays. But if I buy some intending to have "just a couple" I know I won't. I will drink it all - over two nights perhaps, but at most two nights. A 70cl bottle of vodka. So I tell myself (every night at first, but less often now) that I'll get some tomorrow. Just for tonight, I'll give it a miss. I can get some tomorrow. And then repeat, repeat, repeat.... I promise that it does get easier. I also use the I Am Sober app (it's free). Helpful for tracking progress and the occasional inspirational quote. I have something innocent playing on permanent loop/autoplay through the night (at the moment it's old series of QI on the BBC iPlayer), so that I am never alone with my thoughts in the evening, or if I should wake at night. And I treat every sober morning as a victory I have won; another nightly dragon slain.

And this thread, of course. Where you are heard, appreciated and understood.

I won't lie - it is not easy. At times it is very hard indeed, painful. But I can absolutely guarantee you that it is worth it.

I am so, so sorry for harping on. That's always my trouble - I never know when to shut up. I very sincerely hope that nothing I have written/shared upsets you or sounds patronising or hectoring. If it does, then I am very sorry. That was not my intent.

Please keep posting @Souredgrapes. You are a lovely person and the world is a better place because you are alive in it. You are just taking a real beating from life's sh!t-stick at the moment, and that's not fair. But the wine is only ever a mask. It's a sticky-plaster over a gaping wound. It might numb the pain, but the wound continues to bleed on beneath it and cannot heal by itself. If you tear off the plaster, the light can get in and the scar can begin to seal over and start to mend. But, as we all know, ripping off a sticky-plaster can sometimes hurt like f-ck. We'll stand beside you as you give it a tug,

Sending you much love. Keep us posted, and never give up giving up. However many times it takes. ❤️❤️x

Onewildandpreciouslife · 03/08/2024 20:13

Exciting news about the investment @WendyWagon !! Really hope this works out for you

How are you this evening @Souredgrapes ? Stopping drinking is really hard, and we’ve all been there. I had so many “day 1s”. I read the first chapter of The Alcohol Experiment many, many times. But different things work for different people- can you think of a previous challenge you’ve succeeded at, and what worked for you then?

REP22 · 03/08/2024 20:20

Here's Sid at the cricket today. He's sending especial love to @Souredgrapes too.

Strength and love to you. x

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NextPhaseOfLife · 03/08/2024 20:36

Evening all,

Hello beautiful Sid! Gorgeous gorgeous boy.

Hi there @Souredgrapes - some great advice for you here. You're trying and that's the most important part.

Like most on here, I've had loads and loads of Day 1s. You just got to keep trying.

I've found telling people I've stopped is very helpful for me. It's made me feel that I have to stick to it (which I want to) or it will be 'there you go, another fad over'.

I'm around Day 100 now and people are getting a bit perturbed!!!

Sortingmyselfoutdayatatime · 03/08/2024 20:49

Have now caught up properly
@REP22 what a lovely post❤️❤️❤️
@Souredgrapes keep posting. Even are all here and we hear you.x

ShyMaryEllen · 03/08/2024 22:01

@Souredgrapes , do log in when you're on holiday? I'm away too, and will be on my own after tomorrow, so can easily be around for support. Holidays can be difficult, but oddly, I found not being at work (weekends, holidays, when I left) so much easier as it broke the routine. When I was at work I gravitated to a bar afterwards, pretty much without fail. Sometimes I'd dress it up as going for a bite to eat, but there would always be wine with the food then on to get more afterwards. Then I'd go home on the bus, breathing fumes over my lucky fellow passengers, and open another bottle as a nightcap. When I wasn't working I was doing other things, so apart from the nightcap, there was less of a habit to break.

Do you know whether you are physically addicted or not? I wasn't, despite having liver damage because of the amount I put away - I thought I was addicted, but when I stopped I didn't shake or feel any withdrawal symptoms other than insomnia and what felt like a bad cold (and might have just been a bad cold). I think that could make a difference to how to move forward. If you feel ill when you stop obviously it's not a great idea to do it cold turkey, but if not, you could get it over with faster. I was amazed that I could get through the night sober. Really surprised. When I managed a week it felt like a miracle. I did have alcohol in the house, as my husband still drinks (not like I did), so I told myself that if I got withdrawal symptoms I could have a snifter to stave them off, so I wasn't taking a risk. I decided on whisky, as I hate the stuff, and knew I would only drink it medicinally, but I didn't need it.

Anyway, the point I'm rambling towards is that if you can work out what your 'problem' is - physical addiction, habit, psychological, something else, it might be easier to work out a strategy to stop. In my case, I replaced one habit with another, and it worked for me despite all odds. The same thing might work for you, but you might need a different strategy. Good luck, whatever you do, and post from your holidays if it helps.

Souredgrapes · 04/08/2024 09:11

Morning everyone . I’m genuinely moved by all of you . Taking time to share you experience and offer me help, advice support . @ShyMaryEllen , I think there is a physical dependence creeping in . Not everyday but I have been in situations ( last weekend ) that I couldn’t function Sunday without some alcohol so I had a couple of bottle of beer and it scared me that it some how made me feel better .
Mostly my drinking is triggered by the walk through the door after work . Nothing more than that . The thought of cooking the evening meal with a glass of wine makes me feel hard done by . But it’s never one glass . If I can get though the first hour the craving does pass .

@REP22 , I’ve read the thread you recommended. It was both like looking into my past ( father was an alcoholic and heavy smoker ….smoking killed him first ) and looking in to my future . I’m also married to an alcoholic and I worry that’s going to be his reality if our marriage fails .

regarding my holiday. I want more than anything for it to be totally AF . If it isn’t there will no doubt be at least one occasion I will “perform “ in front of my daughter and her boyfriend . If that happens there will be no coming back from it . This could be my chance to undo a lot of damage done . Show her I’m not a wino . I want that so much .

Souredgrapes · 04/08/2024 09:16

Hi @WendyWagon . Different challenges I’ve succeeded in ? Thank you for reminding to me to think of those . I have a few thankfully . For a while it looked like I really messed up my life but I’m more or less back to where I was 9 years ago . Everything still feels like it’s hanging by a thread mind you .

I really appreciate this thread , thank you .

Itsrainingten · 04/08/2024 09:59

@Souredgrapes can you get some really nice alternatives in so you don't feel so deprived cooking dinner without wine? I have CBD drinks (Trip or Goodrays are nice) or Kombucha, or flavoured tonic water. Something that feels "grown up" and "special".

WendyWagon · 04/08/2024 10:31

Morning all. Sorry I'm late today.
I've been a bit tearful. The DS wanted to talk about the effect my drinking had on their childhood. I directed him to sober Dave. He's bought the podcast. I then had a big cry to something on love songs this morning. It was all very raw.

I am on the app so bare with me until I get use to it.
@sourgrapes I think a spot of therapy or counselling would be helpful. I paid £50 for fifty minutes. I think I did it for eight months. Sometimes it's just about being heard and being completely honest with someone IRL. No one listened to me at home, too boozed up or became of all the broken promises.
I am actually going to have a bit more counselling, I feel I need it at the moment.
I did choose my new car the other day. It's higher up and automatic. I do love my motors.

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EastCoastDamsel · 04/08/2024 11:01

Morning, still poorly. Though I do think I am getting a little better. Milking the opportunity to just take it easy though. Was meant to do a 99 hour round trip drive tomdrop.DS.of at a residential summer school today but luckily DH has taken that on board.

Good to see you back today @Souredgrapes . I also found the transition between "work" and "home" difficult as would open a bottle before starting to cook in the evening.
I replaced that with taking the dogs for a walk and found making simple dishes that do not have a natural wine pairing very helpful. (Lots of Curries and Japanese cuisine - steer away from French and Italian!) .

Exciting news on the new car @WendyWagon ..when does it arrive?

I dread the convo from.DS.and DD one day,.last night we were discussing a trip to the theatre a year ago and I was saying something about the performance (which was mediocre at best according to recollection) and DS piped up, "How would you know? You were shit faced!" 😬😳☹️

DD and DM are not getting along. This is distressing to me. It is very complicated. My younger brother died earlier this year. It is a long story but he was diagnosed with cancer 12 years ago and been living with my parents, dependent on them financially for that time, and becoming increasingly dependent on DM for health care needs as time progressed. (It really is not that simple because the physical illness was also a good excuse - for DM And DF - to accept that he couldn't really cope with life on him on own. I think he had undiagnosed autism).

Anyway, DM is understandably very fragile and I have felt responsible for her emotions since I was a teen. DD is growing up and although they were very close until the end of last year, she is going through a confrontational phase and is just rejecting DM at every opportunity..TBF she is treating most of us like complete idiots and is quite derisory to us all so there is a fair amount of tension anyway.

I think there is also an element of jealousy as DD feels that activities that would have just been the 2 of us in the past (shopping, murder mysteries on the telly etc) is now being gatecrashed by DM.

Anyway, not much I can do about that. Just need to accept an do my best for both of them.