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NeverEverAnythingEver · 05/09/2015 09:06

We have our new board! Calling all cademics/aspiring academics/fed-up academics - come and chat!

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 15:00

We don't even have data .... No need to depend on the outside world. We could be completely in cloud-cuckoo land and did anything that took our fancy. It was bliss.

worst WTF??

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 15:01

That's why it's a bit strange to classify Maths with other STEM subject. We are different. The best. Grin

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murmuration · 14/12/2015 15:09

Good luck on your interview, compos.

What worst? I have never ever heard of that. It is bizarre. What in the world were they thinking? I've had copy editing done before a final proof, which often needs fixing, but never anything like that before reviewing! How are you doing? I've lost track of how long you've been back - has it been one week or two?

Ugh. Holidays coming up which means my yearly battle to explain to colleagues that I won't actually be working over Christmas. Does anyone else have this problem? (Or do you all just work?) Today we got back a major revision response, and they want the revised version in the first week of Jan! Most of the work will actually be by others, so I asked them if they could get it done or wanted me to ask for an extension, and also included that I would not be in touch between dates X and Y. I've gotten back, maybe we could get it done, but an extension might be good, how about waiting a week before the deadline to see and ask then if we need it? Well, because I'm not planning on checking my email between Christmas and New Years, just as my first email had said, that's why. Am I being unreasonable? I really, really need breaks from email for my mental health, and putting a stressful check and then needing to enter into dialogue with a journal right in the middle of the holiday will not do me well. I don't want to be burned out before starting next year already.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 14/12/2015 15:23

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worstofbothworlds · 14/12/2015 15:50

Well exactly Never and murmur. I submitted the paper in October and sent the tweaked version to my co-author today as "final submitted" and he thought it was pre-acceptance, it's been so long! And most of that was them messing with it and me going "WTAF" and then being off sick. Mainly the latter.

my yearly battle to explain to colleagues that I won't actually be working over Christmas

I don't. I used to do the odd day on a specific project if it had a deadline, pre-DCs. Then post DCs I tried to take a day off before Christmas, and told my department and HR that I'd work on a day when DH was at home, over Christmas, instead of that day. Then HR and my previous HoD started getting snotty about me working the actual days of the week that my part time contract states i.e. if I work MTW, but I take Weds before Christmas off and work on the following Tues when DH is at home, I still have to count the Weds I don't work as AL, and I can't count a day when campus is closed as work. Now I don't bother.

I was going to be doing a fair bit of marking over Christmas (I don't mind doing things I can do with the telly on and a glass of mulled wine, as that kind of feels like relaxing anyway), but some of that has been postponed anyway, so if I can get the last remaining marking done before we close I won't be doing anything. I might check if a larger piece I'm supposed to be marking in Jan has been submitted some time while I'm off, to get it out of the way. Or I might forget. But the OOO reply, with alternative people to contact, is going ON.

I was at an internal feedback session a while back with a female admin person whose DH is an academic and apparently works all the hours there are and she was complaining how it wasn't his fault that his HoD emailed him two days before Christmas to tell him he HAD to submit a grant proposal on Jan 2nd. She had moved out of research because someone had to spend some time with the DCs. Now I did not say this as forcefully as I should have, but actually, no, his HoD does not have the power to tell him he MUST do this over Christmas, unless he's on a temporary contract (this couple had both been at the university for years so I didn't think this was the case). It is, actually, possible to say no to some things just like it would have been possible for my friend's DH to say no he didn't want to be HoD when he found out they were going to have a baby two weeks before his HoDship would start, and not therefore refuse to do any night time care and sleep in a separate room because he would be "too tired" for work if he didn't. There are a lot of Bs in academia that I would have Ld long ago...

I think I've been back two weeks but we had some organisational issues at work and I had booked a day's AL for a personal thing, way back, last week, so I haven't got much done or been in much. Though I know it's not just that, part of what has made me particularly unwell is my reaction to negative things (e.g. being blocked by petty things in the department, horrible Reviewer 2 type comments etc.) and it's slightly triggering looking at some of the things I left undone - not that it's making me feel quite so bad again, but that it's making me remember how bad I did feel.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 15:58

Buffy We don't even do numbers. Confused

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 15:59

And no, we don't work over Christmas.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 14/12/2015 16:17

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 16:26

Mathematics, not arithmetic. Wink

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 16:29

Not being deliberately mysterious. Something like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_theory and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_geometry, though I have to confess that both these fields are a bit impenetrable to me too ...

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 14/12/2015 16:36

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 16:39
Grin

More like patterns.

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worstofbothworlds · 14/12/2015 16:52

Like this?

I've always wanted to make a quilt like that. But I'm not very good at hand sewing.

murmuration · 14/12/2015 16:53

Can I just say I totally loved group theory as an undergrad? That makes me some kind of super nerd, doesn't it? Especially as it's not anything I went on to study further or anything... I'm elsewhere in STEM...

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/12/2015 17:08

I too loved group theory as an undergraduate. I love the axiomatic approach. I love definitions and proving theorems from them. But my undergraduate students don't seem to ... Hmm

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Lomaamina · 14/12/2015 20:58

worst that's bizarre! Though I'm still reliving with horror having been invited to submit to a new journal, duly did so. It went through three rounds of review-correction-review and then the so-and-sos rejected it! Then...

Asked me to review a paper with a two week turnaround.

Reader, I refused.

p.s. I'm working during xmas but only because DH and DS are. I refuse to take on any external work, just fun stuff on my book. I've also refused the kind offer from a journal to review a paper 'by the 23rd'. Nope. Not doing it because they (and I know this) left it 6 weeks to look at submission.

worstofbothworlds · 14/12/2015 21:49

I looked up the person who did the mangling edits and they don't seem to have a regular academic position. I wonder if they are the editor's best mate/family member/retired ex-colleague who's at a loose end.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 14/12/2015 22:14

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NK5BM3 · 15/12/2015 07:47

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 15/12/2015 07:55

NK Good luck with health and with interview!

These journals get content from us, quality assurance from us and treat us like we owe them a huge favour AND get subscription from us. I'm more and more picky now about who I'm sending papers to. And there are some online archives as well as online journals. If they don't pull their socks up they will be obsolete. And not before time.

worst Having my words mangled makes me feel quite murderous... I pick those words and they will stay picked.

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murmuration · 15/12/2015 09:18

Have a good break, and good luck on the interview, NK5!

DH says that my problem is I'm 'too militant' about protecting my time off - but I argued that I wouldn't have to be militant if only real emergencies were considered. Every holiday I take there are 5-7 things that I need to defend that I can't do during that period. If I didn't, I would be checking email every day and doing at least 30 minutes work each day, if not a couple hours. He said that "most of those things could wait", and I said that was my point! Most could, but the default assumption is that you'll just do it whenever, and being on holiday makes no difference. Thus I have to defend my time off. Like this one - no reason I can't contact the journal now, rather than waiting until the centre of my holiday! I think I will contact them, as I think about - they might be off then, and so I'd be checking email every day to see if I had a response, updating everyone on a non-response until I heard something, and dealing with drafts, etc.

I problem I do have is that checking my email makes for a lot of anxiety, so it really does 'ruin' the day for me, basically empties it from any holiday rest that could have occurred. But that's because the reason I'm checking is for either some sort of emergency that I need to respond to right away or a large amount of work requested in a short time. Neither of those are pleasant. So I have to steel myself for finding these and go and look for them. I'm not sure I could manage that without anxiety.

NK5BM3 · 15/12/2015 09:25

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ComposHatComesBack · 15/12/2015 09:27

Good luck nk and thanks for the interview advice everyone. Will update by the end of the week.

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