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Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 22:25

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

I'm moving it over to chat from AIBU as it makes a bit more sense to be there at this point.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.

This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

We are however going through a period where various governments throughout Europe think there is an elevated risk of some kind of problem due to global instability and we should start to get our heads around the possibility of needing to be ready for anything.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

So this is for everything from tips and considerations about what might be a good idea to do /save minimise potential risks to just straight old political bollocks talk about how things are developing.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

This does actually explicitly say to write a personalised plan for your household which everyone knows and understands and to talk about the issues you may face to help you be able mobilise for any situation which might arise. Which is exactly what this thread is ultimately for.

Get prepared for emergencies - Prepare

How to get informed and put a plan in place to prepare if an emergency comes to you in your area.

https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 12:38

SkyNews
Nuremberg Airport in Germany suspended ALL flights today due to an unconfirmed aviation emergency.

Police sealed the airport as Eurofighters escorted a Corendon Airlines flight from Corfu that landed safely around 12:16.

Operations stayed halted afterward, with other planes diverted to Frankfurt, Munich, and Memmingen.

Earlier in the AM, 3 pilots independently reported a possible drone during takeoffs and landings. A police helicopter searched but found nothing confirmed.

I'm seeing suggestions that a typhoon was scrambled but at this point it's unconfirmed.

This news story seems to have broken on a number of major news outlets half an hour ago.

BBC tumbleweeds.

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GentleSheep · Yesterday 12:39

Rubydobydo · Yesterday 11:40

Turning back to the original post of prepping, I’ve started to think longer term. I’ve a bit of a tinned store, pasta, rice etc, plenty of loo roll, and some basic meds.
All that will keep anyone going for the short term, but what if things were to carry on, maybe even indefinitely?
As living rurally, we have a private water supply from a chalk aquifer so pretty safe, albeit it needs power for the pump to work. We have a generator, but that requires fuel. We have a plentiful supply of wood, but only an open fire in the sitting room. We have a barbecue but only so much charcoal, or gas for the other one. Same with candles and tea lights and rechargeable. Everything has a finite life.
I already have seeds for next year’s veg, as I’m lucky enough to have a large garden. We’ve a new orchard so plenty of fruit to come. But people without can steal all that. We’ve a dairy on the next door farm and cows will need to be milked but will they need supplementary feedstuff and need to be culled if none available. There’s not much meat on a milker!
This is all off the top of my head. We have guns and ammunition and deer and game birds around….
Just how would you survive if this country is catapulted into severe crisis. Even if , like us, you’re equipped to cope, it really wouldn’t be long before real problems emerge.
Scary thought….

If any crisis goes on too long the country will descend into chaos, especially in the cities. Eventually one runs out of supplies and you've got to go find something to eat. That's when it becomes really dangerous, let's hope we don't get into that sort of situation. I'm not sure how order is restored once that point is reached.

GentleSheep · Yesterday 12:39

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 12:38

SkyNews
Nuremberg Airport in Germany suspended ALL flights today due to an unconfirmed aviation emergency.

Police sealed the airport as Eurofighters escorted a Corendon Airlines flight from Corfu that landed safely around 12:16.

Operations stayed halted afterward, with other planes diverted to Frankfurt, Munich, and Memmingen.

Earlier in the AM, 3 pilots independently reported a possible drone during takeoffs and landings. A police helicopter searched but found nothing confirmed.

I'm seeing suggestions that a typhoon was scrambled but at this point it's unconfirmed.

This news story seems to have broken on a number of major news outlets half an hour ago.

BBC tumbleweeds.

&!*£@$ BBC!

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · Yesterday 12:40

Trump.
Musk.
Putin.
The Iranian regime.
Farage.
You know the list; add your own pet dictator/disruptor/fascist/supremacist.
What do they have in common?

They're male.
Can women not just rise up and get rid of this particular cohort of aggressors, all at once and at the same time? And then calm everything down a bit and concentrate on what's important? Taking care of ourselves and the planet, making sure everyone is fed and has shelter and healthcare, not acquiring territory or possessions for the sake of it?

Nah. We've been trying to, haven't we? I'm not sure what's needed. The more we see them, the worse they seem to get.

Yeah yeah NAMALT, I know, I live with one and he's not an aggressor. But bloody hell the ones that are have truly fucked things up spectacularly and (I speak as a pacifist here) I'd like to...
Well, you know. Get rid of them.

Natsku · Yesterday 12:44

GentleSheep · Yesterday 12:34

Not connected either, we're a bit behind the times! Have a gas combi boiler with a thermostat in the house. Since we're both at home there seems little point. I didn't even know you could connect your fridge freezer!

Don't need to change our heat settings remotely, don't really change them at all, just stick the heating on in autumn and turn off in spring.

Bought one of those fancy American style side by side ones with an ice machine and apparently WiFi capability. Nothing else in my house is anywhere near as fancy!

I think we might possibly have access to well water but no idea how to get it. There's a dog house style thing in the garden that houses an old pump but I don't know if its in working condition.

Our oil boiler can run on wood which gives us a backup but its a hassle and I can't do the fires as it triggers my asthma.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:18

The plane involved in the security incident appears to have sent an emergency code signalling it was being hijacked, local police have revealed.

The plane from Corfu changed its squawk, a four-digit code assigned to an aircraft at the start of a flight to help air traffic control identify it, to "7500", police said in a statement.

The 7500 squawk signals an unlawful interference, or a "hijacking case", as police put it.

Moreover, the pilot could no longer be reached by radio.

"For safety reasons, various alarm scrambles were then triggered," the statement read.
Sky

Fighter jets were scrambled to escort the plane involved in the security incident, a spokesman for the German air force told Sky News.

Two Eurofighter jets arrived from the nearby base in Neuburg to intercept the plane from Corfu and escort it until touchdown at the airport.

The fighter jets remained in the air until it could be ruled out that the plane would take off again.
Sky

Police say there is 'no danger' - as passengers allowed to leave plane
Police said they have found there is "no danger" after investigating on the ground, according to their latest update.

They added passengers were allowed to leave the affected plane and would be transferred to the arrivals hall by bus.

As police confirmed earlier, the plane was flying into Nuremberg from Corfu.
Sky

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:19

Brett Eriksson AT BrettErikson28
MAJOR: Saudi Coalition forces have just issued a statement that they will be warning civilians in the Yemeni capital of Sanaa to evacuate a target site in the coming minutes prior to a Coalition strike.

Sanaa has repeatedly been a hard red line for Ansar Allah (Houthis) that has multiple times now resulted in Ansar Allah targeting Saudi airports and energy infrastructure.

This seems like it will be a SIGNIFICANT targeting by Saudi…

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:38

Alex Wickham AT Alexwickham
NEW: The head of MI5 Ken McCallum has said Britons must increase their resilience and prepare to be “tested” by “escalating” Russian hybrid warfare. He warned the security service is now devoting more resources to hostile state threats than during the Cold War.

“We have again entered a new era of national security, requiring a new response,” McCallum said in a speech at MI5’s headquarters at Thames House on Tuesday. “In this new world, we should expect to be tested,” he said.

The spy chief called for greater “systemic resilience” of critical infrastructure, banking and defence interests, and better “societal resilience” against polarised online debate and radicalisation.

“Our interconnected financial systems, energy grids, supply chains and manufacturing bases, designed during simpler times for maximum efficiency, are vulnerable to malicious disruption and coercion,” McCallum said.

“Russia remains aggressor number one,” he said, warning the Kremlin is “using tactics that stop short, though sometimes not much short, of conventional conflict.”

“In 2026, MI5 is devoting more resource to countering state threats than during the Cold War. Over the last decade, our state threats caseload has quadrupled,” he said.

However, McCallum sought to present a nuanced assessment of the Russian threat, warning that Britain should not “fall into the trap” of letting Moscow’s hybrid warfare strategy “intimidate” it and leave the country feeling “beseiged.” That narrative would “do our adversaries’ work for them,” he said.

On Iran, McCallum said the incident at RAF Fairford was not “unique,” suggesting Iran is targeting other military sites, though he downplayed its capability to pull off a sophisticated attack on British soil emulating Ukraine’s drone strikes on Russian airbases.

“2026 has also seen the Iranians, like the Russians, attempting to expand their hybrid campaign. Over the last 12 months, our Iran-linked operations have led to more than 50 arrests in the UK,” he said, adding that those in the Middle East responsible for directing the plots could expect an “unflinching response.”

McCallum also said Britain needed to increase its “technological resilience” to combat dangers from artificial intelligence, announcing the establishment of an “AI Threat Assessment Centre.”

In a sobering warning, he said “the misuse case to which I’d attach greatest weight is AI’s potential to change the stakes on existing or even new bioweapons,” citing concerns about hostile actors using AI to create “novel pathogens.”

Well if that doesn't give you a good kick up the backside to stockpile and actively prep, then you really need to get your head out your arse.

This is the head of MI5 telling you were are in a state beyond the risks and demands of the Cold War. So we possibly need to call it a name with 'War' actively in the title one way or another and act accordingly.

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:42

Alex Wickham AT Alexwickham
NEW: MI5 chief Ken McCallum has said Britain must be careful not to exaggerate the impact of Russian interference and bots on democratic events like Brexit, warning that risks doing the Kremlin’s job for them.

“I'm a little bit worried that if we all stay in this debate for another few days that the Russian trolls who didn't appear to do all that at various points over the years, they'll be delighted.

“They are front page news once again, despite the comparative un-impressiveness of much of what they do at all the points along the journey.

“I am a little bit anxious that we don’t play into our adversaries’ hands by making these trolls look 10 feet tall. That’s not our experience of them.”

“There is a really important difference between interference attempted and outcome swayed. It’s quite important to focus on the difference between what may have been attempted and what actually resulted.”

He said he agreed with Andy Burnham’s comments in the House of Commons yesterday, including about the Russian hack-and-leak that was used in the 2019 general election

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MrsPernicious · Yesterday 13:51

I guess this new war may have to be called the Tepid War.

Anyone else notice that coerce and coercion are cropping up at a rate not usually seen.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:52

Brett Eriksson AT BrettErikson28
MAJOR BREAKING: New statements from the Saudi Coalition forces announces that they will be destroying Yemeni OIL SITES in the capital of Sana’a!!!

This is an INSANE escalation from MBS, and will CERTAINLY result in Ansar Allah (Houthis) striking the most critical of Aramco sites in Saudi Arabia.

This is insanity!

Things are about to go COMPLETELY off the rails in the Saudi/Yemen War.

The Saudi spokesman has just issued an evacuation order for oil sites in the Yemeni capital of Sana’a.

They will completely destroy them, and there will be no stopping Ansar Allah (Houthis) from seeking to completely devastate Saudi energy infrastructure in retaliation.

MAJOR!!! Ansar Allah is warning all citizens to evacuate ARAMCO facilities in Saudi Arabia following the evacuation order issued by the Saudi Coalition forces in recent minutes due to an upcoming Saudi strike on Yemeni oil sites in the capital of Sana’a.

This is COMPLETELY out of control!

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 13:59

Jonathan Lemire AT jonlemire
Staff writer of the Atlantic
"Some of Trump’s closest advisers have privately wondered what Putin has done to so thoroughly enthrall the president; Trump’s respect for the Russian leader appears undiminished despite the humiliating struggles Putin has faced during the Ukraine war”

That was the context in which Trump announced his fictional energy cease-fire. A senior Ukrainian military officer told us that Trump’s statements are “simply beyond comprehension.”

“Things are already incredibly difficult for us here,” the officer said, speaking, like others who talked with us, on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “But apparently, there’s always another level below rock bottom. Things can always get worse.”
https://x.com/JonLemire/status/2109965894344667457

Gift article in link.

Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) on X

“Some of Trump’s closest advisers have privately wondered what Putin has done to so thoroughly enthrall the president; Trump’s respect for the Russian leader appears undiminished despite the humiliating struggles Putin has faced during the Ukraine war”...

https://x.com/JonLemire/status/2109965894344667457

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MrsPernicious · Yesterday 14:03

Yep that seems rather out of control.
The Middle East is going to go on a self destructive oil production annihilation bender.

Trump will be able to give another few million to Putin. Putin will be able to give the money to the Iranians for drones. The Iranians will be able to build even more drones to shoot at US military targets.

Munchyseeds2 · Yesterday 14:24

Rubydobydo · Yesterday 11:40

Turning back to the original post of prepping, I’ve started to think longer term. I’ve a bit of a tinned store, pasta, rice etc, plenty of loo roll, and some basic meds.
All that will keep anyone going for the short term, but what if things were to carry on, maybe even indefinitely?
As living rurally, we have a private water supply from a chalk aquifer so pretty safe, albeit it needs power for the pump to work. We have a generator, but that requires fuel. We have a plentiful supply of wood, but only an open fire in the sitting room. We have a barbecue but only so much charcoal, or gas for the other one. Same with candles and tea lights and rechargeable. Everything has a finite life.
I already have seeds for next year’s veg, as I’m lucky enough to have a large garden. We’ve a new orchard so plenty of fruit to come. But people without can steal all that. We’ve a dairy on the next door farm and cows will need to be milked but will they need supplementary feedstuff and need to be culled if none available. There’s not much meat on a milker!
This is all off the top of my head. We have guns and ammunition and deer and game birds around….
Just how would you survive if this country is catapulted into severe crisis. Even if , like us, you’re equipped to cope, it really wouldn’t be long before real problems emerge.
Scary thought….

Building stock and a buffer will only take you so far, more than a few days and things would get very out of control and scary very quickly.
I think in an ongoing situation, you need to have built a group of people with different skills and you help each other to survive.
This is possibly easier to do in the country than in a city or town
Those with the skills would survive the longest and there is strength in numbers.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 14:51

MrsPernicious · Yesterday 13:51

I guess this new war may have to be called the Tepid War.

Anyone else notice that coerce and coercion are cropping up at a rate not usually seen.

We have a winner for the next thread title right there.

With what's going on in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, I guess we need to be thinking seriously about trade through the Suez Canal at this point because because anything that comes through it goes up past Saudis and Yemenis chucking missiles at each other. Anything that comes through is highly liable to rocket in price - either because of increases to insurance/shipping costs or because it has to go the long way. And anything we export through it is going to get hit hard - I think this is most notably alcoholic drinks for the UK.

So what food comes to Europe via the Suez Canal?

4% of Staple grains and cereals
Processed meats: Thai processed meats and other packaged protein products shipped from Asian markets.
Nuts and seeds
Spices and condiments
Coffee and cocoa
Tea
Tropical and exotic fruits: Bananas, coconuts, coconut milk.
Australian and NZ wine
Palm Oil (lots) from Indonesia

Some of these have already been hit by weather issues or are likely about to be due to El Nino.

The one there that's notable for me is palm Oil because it's in bloody everything processed.

The era of cheap imported food, could really be coming to a close.

I am not even going to mention Tat From China in this conversation.

https://www.cntraveller.in/story/suez-canal-impact-trade-favourite-food/
Thank the Suez Canal for your favourite food
Article from 2021
Every day, approximately 50 ships with a deadweight tonnage of over 220,000 each cross ferrying everything from oil and coal to phones and food. To know its worth, you need only to quickly cast your mind back to the blockage of the canal in March 2021, which cost the world $400 million an hour in losses, amounting to a whopping $9.6 billion over six days. Things were so dire that several warnings were issued over potential food shortages; the global giant Costco faced a shortage of cheese, European coffee producers faced delays on robusta beans from Vietnam, and Indian exporters feared the delay of their grape exports to Europe and North America. But fortunately, six days later, Ever Given was back on track, though not before exposing the dependence of the global food system on this 193km waterway linking the Mediterranean and Red seas.

Article from 2024
https://www.ifpri.org/blog/impacts-red-sea-shipping-disruptions-global-food-security/
Impacts of Red Sea shipping disruptions on global food security

From a food security perspective, which countries are most likely to be affected by the current Red Sea crisis? As outlined in the analysis above, trade disruptions are most likely to impact the countries in East Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia, and East Asia. Figure 3 shows the share of wheat imports from the EU, Russia, and Ukraine as a percent of total wheat imports in 2021 (the last year for which data on Russian exports was available).

The map shows countries in East Africa, Iran and Pakistan are particularly vulnerable to trade disruptions, due to their relatively high reliance on wheat imports from Europe and the Black Sea. In the case of East Africa, previous research has shown that for many of the countries, imports account for a large share of consumption. Disruptions to imports could put further pressure on food inflation in these countries, which has just begun to abate following consumer price increases in 2022.

As explained above, the analysis assumes that all wheat exports from the EU, Russia, and Ukraine to the regions shown transit through the Red Sea. This may overstate the impact on Russian exports for countries like Iran and China, where alternative albeit more expensive routes may be available (for example, via Caspian Sea ports in Iran or Pacific ports for China).

If the disruptions continue, consumers in importing countries will end up bearing some of the cost increases. Countries may choose to seek alternative suppliers, although El Niño related impacts have reduced wheat production in Australia, another major supplier to the region.

Closure of the Red Sea also would have a detrimental impact on Ukraine maize exports to China (Figure 4). China has accounted for about 20% of Ukraine's maize exports since 2018 and was an important destination under the now-discontinued Black Sea Grain Initiative (BSGI), which allowed passage of shipments from ports in the war-torn region. Long-term disruptions to Red Sea shipping would further harm on Ukraine’s competitiveness, already suffering because of the war and July 2023 termination of the BSGI.

Increased shipping costs would also affect China, as Ukraine had a become a significant supplier of maize to China over the past five years, averaging about 30% of the country’s total maize imports since 2020 (Figure 4). Increased costs of sourcing Ukraine maize would likely push China to increase imports from the United States and Brazil, which has become a major supplier since maize imports from Brazil were approved in late 2022.

The scale of impacts of the Red Sea crisis on shipping, markets, and food security will depend on how long the Houthi attacks continue. While the conflict affects only a small share of overall agricultural trade, a long-term disruption will have clear impacts on some economically vulnerable importing countries in Africa and Asia, forcing them to seek alternative suppliers or pay significantly higher costs to import. If those markets switch suppliers, producers in Europe, Russia, and Ukraine will then likely see lower prices over the longer run. While this worst-case scenario for the Red Sea crisis is still unlikely, the current disruption is a reminder of the fragility of supply chains and the need for countries to be flexible in sourcing food when disruptions occur.

And I'm not considering fertiliser nor oil itself in this - that's every product made with petrol chemicals. And that's a long list too.

Obviously there's limits to what you can do, but I have to confess that a bunch of spices magically fell into my trolley last week quite by accident. I don't know how they got there.

What Zelenskyy said about worldwide food shortages in 2 / 3 months is also relevant here too as he's referring to Ukrainian and Russian grains and the vulnerable areas of the world to Red Sea disruption too.

Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)
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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 15:07

Dominic Michael Tripi AT DMichaelTripi
NEW: Trump reportedly considering firing Defense Sec. Pete Hegseth after the midterms in an effort to take the blame of the unpopular Iran war off of himself and onto Hegseth in order to “protect his legacy” and “reputation as an anti-war president.”

Will Hegseth fall out a window like in Russia?

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 15:19

I think this guy is having a meltdown today...

Brett Eriksson AT BrettErikson28
BREAKING: Multiple initial reports indicate that Saudi Arabia has STRUCK the Yemeni capital city of Sanaa’s Al-Sabaha oil facility.

Ansar Allah (Houthis) have already issued reciprocal evacuation orders for Saudi Aramco facilities throughout Saudi Arabia.

Saudi infrastructure is about to get SMASHED.

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GentleSheep · Yesterday 15:25

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 15:19

I think this guy is having a meltdown today...

Brett Eriksson AT BrettErikson28
BREAKING: Multiple initial reports indicate that Saudi Arabia has STRUCK the Yemeni capital city of Sanaa’s Al-Sabaha oil facility.

Ansar Allah (Houthis) have already issued reciprocal evacuation orders for Saudi Aramco facilities throughout Saudi Arabia.

Saudi infrastructure is about to get SMASHED.

And remember folks, keep an eye on your carbon footprint, every little helps in reducing net global CO2 output. What? Oh just ignore those big black smoky clouds over there in Russia, Ukraine and the Middle East. We're still on track for net zero carbon emissions by 2050. (Armageddon excepted. Terms and conditions apply).

FindingMeno · Yesterday 15:34

Omg @RedToothBrush, this Yemen/ Saudi situation doesn't sound good at all.

FindingMeno · Yesterday 15:36

This week's focus is going to be cash, including smaller denominations, and more logs.
Next week, it's coal.
Keep prepping, folks!

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OhYouBadBadKitten · Yesterday 15:58

Top tip: If you think your photos on your phone are syncing to a cloud, check! 24,000 photos I now need to some how extract off my phone onto my external hard drive. Windows threw a wobbly. Whoops.

Laptop is entirely backed up though and a couple of kitchen cupboards decluttered, so I could see what we had that shouldn't be in there.

TwoTigers · Yesterday 16:11

GentleSheep · Yesterday 12:39

If any crisis goes on too long the country will descend into chaos, especially in the cities. Eventually one runs out of supplies and you've got to go find something to eat. That's when it becomes really dangerous, let's hope we don't get into that sort of situation. I'm not sure how order is restored once that point is reached.

Obviously depends what the crisis is, but we were affected by the 2007 floods in Gloucestershire, following which we lost our water supply for 18 days. I had no idea about panic buying, and on the day it was announced our water was cut off, I was due to do a full weeks shop. The panic buyers had been in - bakery items, veg, fruit, anything canned that wouldn't create too much mess with no water for washing up, cleaning items, wipes, anything that would be drunk, as well as many treats had gone - as well as lots of other things just because ... Luckily floods had subsided by then, but if supplies couldn't get through or we didn't have electricity to operate stores, there wouldn't be much to buy if anything. Scary.

QueefofSheena · Yesterday 16:30

I'm prepping for sustained disruption to services or inconsistent services over a long period. Over and above that we are buggered anyway. Paper plates and dried fruit are next on my list. Tinned fruit takes up a lot more space. My car boot is the next storage area as its rarely used, I also have a small frunk and the space where a spare would be that are hidden. I keep my car well charged and only really do local journeys within 10 miles.

I've learned how to dig a latrine trench if necessary. Grim but useful.

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