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Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 22:25

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

I'm moving it over to chat from AIBU as it makes a bit more sense to be there at this point.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.

This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

We are however going through a period where various governments throughout Europe think there is an elevated risk of some kind of problem due to global instability and we should start to get our heads around the possibility of needing to be ready for anything.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

So this is for everything from tips and considerations about what might be a good idea to do /save minimise potential risks to just straight old political bollocks talk about how things are developing.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

This does actually explicitly say to write a personalised plan for your household which everyone knows and understands and to talk about the issues you may face to help you be able mobilise for any situation which might arise. Which is exactly what this thread is ultimately for.

Get prepared for emergencies - Prepare

How to get informed and put a plan in place to prepare if an emergency comes to you in your area.

https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 16:21

Brett Erikson AT BrettErikson28
As a result of Hurricane Isaias, approximately 71.51% of oil, and 58.84% of gas production is now OFFLINE in the Gulf of Mexico.

In isolation, each energy shock is survivable. This isn’t “big deal” on its own…

But NONE of this is happening in isolation. It’s happening in the middle of one of the greatest energy crises in history, where Saudi and Yemen are escalating, and Iran/US are set to continue extreme escalation in the coming weeks.

The Trump Administration is just crossing their fingers hoping something doesn’t break spectacularly.

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 16:30

Reuters journalist reporting that eyewitnesses are reporting a large number of casualties.

I'm seeing unsubstantiated suggestions of around 4 deaths and 40 to 70 injured.

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 16:53

Meanwhile in Japan (twitter thread of commens translated to English):

Amid soaring kerosene prices, "Heat or cut food expenses... numbers forcing a choice of life" — Co-op Sapporo to submit "urgent request document
https://x.com/stvhoudoubu/status/2108458175750172785

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This is the ultimate two-choice dilemma, yep...

Should we cut back on heating?
Or cut back on food expenses?

Coop Sapporo is suggesting that kerosene in Hokkaido might surge to as high as 190 yen per liter.

But honestly, the real scary thing isn't the price...

The coop has reached the point of making an emergency request to the national and prefectural governments to immediately lift the shipping restrictions from the petroleum wholesalers.

In other words, even before the question of whether we can afford to pay, the physical amount of oil itself is starting to get squeezed, yep.

I wish the country would pour subsidies into stuff like this.

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I'm a kerosene delivery service provider.
All three of my kerosene wholesale contracts were cut off from supply yesterday. I'm on the verge of going out of business.
Apparently, the underground tanks at the wholesale companies are bone dry too.

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The fact that even the tanks at the docks are empty is proof that the supply chain itself has reached its limit, y'know...

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Thank you for the valuable on-site information.
I feel a strong sense of crisis in this dire situation.

In a situation where even the United States is resorting to importing Russian oil, if supplies are disrupted in Japan, which is not an oil-producing country, it would truly become a matter of life and death, wouldn't it?

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Hokkaido has been getting chilly in the mornings and evenings, so demand has increased, and it might be that the manufacturers' planned upper limit was suddenly reached, leading to restrictions— but isn't that limit too low? It feels like, "Is it really that bad right now? What's going on?"
I think Honshu still has some leeway since things aren't that active yet.

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I wonder what’s going to happen this winter.

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It's not just people in cold regions—even vegetables grown in greenhouses won't be producible anymore, so vegetables will be unavailable nationwide, or if by some miracle they're being sold, they'll be at prices no one can afford... It's not just folks in cold areas who won't survive without kerosene.

STVニュース北海道 (@stvhoudoubu) on X

灯油価格高騰で「暖房か食費削るか…命の選択を迫る数字」コープさっぽろ“緊急要請文”提出へ https://t.co/R6dnWW5R2t

https://x.com/stvhoudoubu/status/2108458175750172785

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:01

Btw there was also lots of chatter on Japanese twitter about stockpiling.

Indeed it's reading very much like this thread in terms of people working out the implications and wondering how bad it's going to get.

Surreal.

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:03

Example post:
Yesterday, the guy who always delivers our kerosene said that this year, no oil is coming in.

It feels like they're coming at Japan from all sorts of angles to bring it to an end. Immigrants, data leaks, how are we supposed to get through the winter, will we really not be able to get our hands on oil anymore. Is it because the UN decided on the phase-out of fossil fuels?

https://x.com/Uxpi29531W/status/2108685582457278849

Real post. Different country. Same worries and fears.

蘭子 profile picture

蘭子 (@Uxpi29531W) on X

昨日、いつも灯油を配達してる人が今年は石油が入ってこないと言っていた なんかもう色んな所から日本を終わらせにきてる。移民、情報漏洩、冬はどう過ごすことになるのか、本当に石油にありつけなくなるのか。国連で化石燃料の段階的廃止を決めているからか。

https://x.com/Uxpi29531W/status/2108685582457278849

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:06

Another post:

The on-site cries that kerosene underground tanks have run dry and that supply from wholesalers has been physically cut off are evidence that the apocalyptic paralysis of the petroleum product supply chain has reached the terminal capillaries.

And the fact that kerosene (for heating and civilian use) has become so depleted means that the situation for diesel fuel (logistics, construction, agriculture) and heavy fuel oil (shipping, factories, thermal power generation, facility horticulture)—which are adjacent fractions in crude oil refining—is likely plunging into an urgent triage at a level severe enough to stop the heart of industry.

Oil refining is the process of heating a single substance, crude oil, and separating it by boiling point differences through distillation.

LPG・Naphtha・Gasoline (low-boiling fractions)

Kerosene・Jet Fuel (intermediate fractions)

Diesel (the fraction just below that)

Heavy Fuel Oil・Asphalt (the heaviest residual oil)

There are chemical engineering limits to pinpointing production increases for kerosene alone.

The fact that kerosene supply has halted and wholesalers' tanks are empty means that crude oil itself isn't reaching the source refineries, or that domestic refinery operating rates are declining.

In other words, behind the scenes of kerosene depletion at sites, the same intermediate fraction diesel is evaporating just as much as the heavy fuel oil pooling at the bottom.

Diesel is the very bloodstream of the economy, powering over 90% of Japan's domestic logistics via truck transport, as well as construction machinery, tractors, and fishing boat auxiliary engines.

If diesel is squeezed at the wholesale stage, long-haul trucks and local delivery networks will be forced into thinned-out operations or outright shutdowns.

Passing the stage where fare hikes can cover it, shortages emerge where "even at the pump, fuel rationing prevents a full tank" or "no physical fuel exists for long hauls," severing the delivery networks for food and daily goods themselves.

In Hokkaido or Tohoku winters, diesel depletion means snowplows can't run.

If main road snow removal stops, even if kerosene or food stockpiles exist somewhere, delivering them becomes impossible.

Heavy fuel oil (A-heavy and C-heavy) usually stays out of general consumers' sight, but it's the lifeline for the massive, heavy industrial backbone supporting society's foundation.

Winter greenhouse cultivation in Hokkaido and cold regions (tomatoes, strawberries, flowers, vegetables), as well as heating for poultry and pig barns, relies on vast A-heavy oil boilers for warmth.

If heavy fuel oil distribution stops, one night's chill will wipe out crops in greenhouses and freeze livestock to death.

This isn't mere temporary production cuts—it's farm bankruptcies and the irreversible destruction of the food base for next year and beyond.

Industrial sites dependent on heavy fuel oil boilers for steam or heat—food processing, metal heat treatment, papermaking, dry cleaning—will shut down operations immediately without fuel.

Diesel power plants on remote islands and coastal tankers and cargo ships transporting domestic goods run on heavy fuel oil.

If this gets squeezed, supply lines connecting the mainland to islands, ports to ports, will be severed.

In a phase where physical oil is simply insufficient, what oil majors and the government do in secret is a ruthless triage of "who to save, who to abandon."

Top priority: Self-Defense Forces, police, fire departments, core hospitals, critical infrastructure

Second tier: Major infrastructure firms, JR, large logistics companies

Last in line, to be cut: Local small trucking firms, general farms, rural kerosene delivery outfits, and ordinary households in cold regions

The fact that "oil isn't reaching terminal kerosene delivery outfits" or "wholesale tanks are empty" shows that peripheral rural areas and civilian sectors are already starting to be discarded as the tail end of the rationing queue.

It's not that prices are too high to buy—it's that even piling up cash, no physical product exists—a reality that's the harshest man-made disaster born from Middle East chokepoints, refinery infrastructure damage, and do-nothing politics.

Of course people are raising hell.

If voices aren't raised, the paper-test whiz kids at the center and elites in safe zones will hunker down through winter, using a single document claiming rationing plans are properly managed as a shield to cover up the freezing reality on the ground.

The only way to shatter this deception is to keep confronting them with the raw reality from the front lines.

Now if the ultra disaster prepared Japanese are starting to freak out, that's sobering.

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:09

Current Emergency Situation with Kerosene in Hokkaido (Part 1)】

Since this is a life-or-death matter, I'll break it down into two parts.
First, the reasons behind the kerosene restrictions (Part 1).
Next, household budget analysis in Part 2.

Since entering October, something unusual has been happening with kerosene in Hokkaido.

Coop Sapporo's regular deliveries are facing reverse margins due to a surge in procurement costs.
Supply concerns arise from shipment restrictions imposed by primary suppliers.

The causes are:
Due to the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a premium is added for alternative procurement.
Insufficient stockpiling has led straight into the peak demand season, so primary suppliers are capping shipment volumes to protect their inventories.
The only refinery in Hokkaido capable of processing crude oil is in Tomakomai.
The rest is transported by ship from Honshu.

As a result, primary suppliers prioritize supply to their affiliated gas stations and long-term contract clients.
Other distribution channels are thinning out, causing prices to skyrocket.

This affects both price and distribution.

Government subsidies lower wholesale prices, but since there's not enough kerosene, shipments won't increase even with subsidies.

Energy is centrally controlled.
If they cut electricity and deplete fuel, it becomes a choice between food or fuel.
Kerosene shortages hit households hard, so I'll cover that in Part 2 (to be continued).

【Current Emergency Situation with Kerosene in Hokkaido (Part 2)】
In Part 1, I wrote about the reasons why there's not enough kerosene

Part 2 considers the impact on household finances

The basic scenario is that kerosene will reach 170-190 yen within the year (last winter it was 124 yen)
Electricity bills are also expected to rise due to the end of subsidies and high fuel costs
Especially for older single-family homes, insulation is weak, using 2-3 times more kerosene than apartments
They also consume a lot of electricity for freeze-prevention heaters, etc.

✅ Elderly living alone in older single-family home (pension 120,000 yen/month) using 1,200L kerosene/season

Compared to last winter, +60,000-90,000 yen for the season (including electricity)
In January, about half of the pension disappears on kerosene and electricity
Elderly people spend a lot of time at home, and cutting back on heating could increase mortality from hypothermia or heat shock

✅ Family of 4 with children in older single-family home (net income 330,000 yen/month) using 1,800L kerosene/season

Compared to last winter, +100,000-130,000 yen for the season (including electricity)
In the coldest January, +19,000-27,000 yen
Child allowances (20,000 yen/month for 2 children) are completely wiped out by the fuel cost increase
In January, about 30% of net income goes to kerosene and electricity

Elderly people will be hit first, followed by families with children
The blow is greater for older single-family homes
190 yen is a figure that forces the choice between "heating or food expenses"

✅ If a major earthquake or cyberattack causes a blackout in winter, we're done for

In the 2018 Hokkaido Eastern Iburi Earthquake, the shutdown of the Tomakomai Tomatsu Atsuma Power Plant triggered a blackout across Hokkaido
The Tomakomai area has not only refineries but also ports for receiving crude oil and petroleum products, the national petroleum reserve base, and large thermal power plants (Tomatsu Atsuma)
⚠️ Because they're concentrated in one place, they all stop at the same time

FF-style stoves won't run without electricity
Gas station pumps are electric too, so even if you go to buy kerosene, they can't sell it
If the freeze-prevention heaters stop, water pipes will burst from freezing

This is about not operating on the premise that nothing will happen

✅ If countermeasures are possible, it would be adding another 490L tank (under 1000L is the upper limit for household declaration)
Or having a small private generator, that's about it

Yep. Lots of freaking out.

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GentleSheep · 10/10/2026 17:13

US Embassy in Riyadh confirm attacks (X post) (image incoming)

Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)
RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:31

WSJ: "Terminal 3 of the King Khalid International Airport [in Riyadh] suffered a direct hit from [Houthi] missiles and has been evacuated, with at least some injuries, Saudi officials said. Several ambulances and a few helicopters were sent to collect the wounded and take them to King Fahad hospital in Riyadh, one of the officials said. A video the official said was authentic showed blood smeared on the floor."

AFP: Doctors have been called to hospitals across Riyadh following the missile strike on King Khalid International Airport. Dozens of people, mostly Saudis, were injured, with at least five in intensive care. Some of the wounded were airlifted to hospitals.

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:32

I'm still trying to process the insanity of the US buying russian diesel so it gets money enabling it to make more weapons to give to Iran to fight the US and blow up Saudi oil facilities.

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Holeymoley28 · 10/10/2026 17:36

Suddenly my extra 12 tins of tuna and some mayo again today seem less than impressive for a stock pile 😬😬

GentleSheep · 10/10/2026 18:09

Holeymoley28 · 10/10/2026 17:36

Suddenly my extra 12 tins of tuna and some mayo again today seem less than impressive for a stock pile 😬😬

😂I know exactly how you feel!

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 18:22

“Zelenskyy could’ve stopped this war many times, and he chose not to … he better damn well stop” Trump

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Holeymoley28 · 10/10/2026 18:25

I actually don’t understand how the Ukraine Russian war is ever going to end.

It actually tends to fall off my radar as it’s been going on for so long it’s like oh yeah that again.

I am aware that’s bad on my behalf but it’s just like desensitised at this point all the on going wars.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 18:33

Reports Jeddah Airport now being hit. It's more important to Saudi Arabia than Riyadh. It's not been hit so far.

Trump says he's heard about Riyadh and "will make a decision".

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Holeymoley28 · 10/10/2026 18:36

GentleSheep · 10/10/2026 18:09

😂I know exactly how you feel!

Dh gave me a look and goes I don’t think we needed this shopping did we 🤨🤨

Beccahm · 10/10/2026 18:41

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 17:09

Current Emergency Situation with Kerosene in Hokkaido (Part 1)】

Since this is a life-or-death matter, I'll break it down into two parts.
First, the reasons behind the kerosene restrictions (Part 1).
Next, household budget analysis in Part 2.

Since entering October, something unusual has been happening with kerosene in Hokkaido.

Coop Sapporo's regular deliveries are facing reverse margins due to a surge in procurement costs.
Supply concerns arise from shipment restrictions imposed by primary suppliers.

The causes are:
Due to the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a premium is added for alternative procurement.
Insufficient stockpiling has led straight into the peak demand season, so primary suppliers are capping shipment volumes to protect their inventories.
The only refinery in Hokkaido capable of processing crude oil is in Tomakomai.
The rest is transported by ship from Honshu.

As a result, primary suppliers prioritize supply to their affiliated gas stations and long-term contract clients.
Other distribution channels are thinning out, causing prices to skyrocket.

This affects both price and distribution.

Government subsidies lower wholesale prices, but since there's not enough kerosene, shipments won't increase even with subsidies.

Energy is centrally controlled.
If they cut electricity and deplete fuel, it becomes a choice between food or fuel.
Kerosene shortages hit households hard, so I'll cover that in Part 2 (to be continued).

【Current Emergency Situation with Kerosene in Hokkaido (Part 2)】
In Part 1, I wrote about the reasons why there's not enough kerosene

Part 2 considers the impact on household finances

The basic scenario is that kerosene will reach 170-190 yen within the year (last winter it was 124 yen)
Electricity bills are also expected to rise due to the end of subsidies and high fuel costs
Especially for older single-family homes, insulation is weak, using 2-3 times more kerosene than apartments
They also consume a lot of electricity for freeze-prevention heaters, etc.

✅ Elderly living alone in older single-family home (pension 120,000 yen/month) using 1,200L kerosene/season

Compared to last winter, +60,000-90,000 yen for the season (including electricity)
In January, about half of the pension disappears on kerosene and electricity
Elderly people spend a lot of time at home, and cutting back on heating could increase mortality from hypothermia or heat shock

✅ Family of 4 with children in older single-family home (net income 330,000 yen/month) using 1,800L kerosene/season

Compared to last winter, +100,000-130,000 yen for the season (including electricity)
In the coldest January, +19,000-27,000 yen
Child allowances (20,000 yen/month for 2 children) are completely wiped out by the fuel cost increase
In January, about 30% of net income goes to kerosene and electricity

Elderly people will be hit first, followed by families with children
The blow is greater for older single-family homes
190 yen is a figure that forces the choice between "heating or food expenses"

✅ If a major earthquake or cyberattack causes a blackout in winter, we're done for

In the 2018 Hokkaido Eastern Iburi Earthquake, the shutdown of the Tomakomai Tomatsu Atsuma Power Plant triggered a blackout across Hokkaido
The Tomakomai area has not only refineries but also ports for receiving crude oil and petroleum products, the national petroleum reserve base, and large thermal power plants (Tomatsu Atsuma)
⚠️ Because they're concentrated in one place, they all stop at the same time

FF-style stoves won't run without electricity
Gas station pumps are electric too, so even if you go to buy kerosene, they can't sell it
If the freeze-prevention heaters stop, water pipes will burst from freezing

This is about not operating on the premise that nothing will happen

✅ If countermeasures are possible, it would be adding another 490L tank (under 1000L is the upper limit for household declaration)
Or having a small private generator, that's about it

Yep. Lots of freaking out.

Thanks for this...where did you get the info? It's a little too sobering...

Beccahm · 10/10/2026 18:43

Beccahm · 10/10/2026 18:41

Thanks for this...where did you get the info? It's a little too sobering...

Forget that, I've read backwards, sorry I landed on the latest post first. All from X being shared from Japan?

GentleSheep · 10/10/2026 18:47

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 18:33

Reports Jeddah Airport now being hit. It's more important to Saudi Arabia than Riyadh. It's not been hit so far.

Trump says he's heard about Riyadh and "will make a decision".

😱

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 18:57

Beccahm · 10/10/2026 18:43

Forget that, I've read backwards, sorry I landed on the latest post first. All from X being shared from Japan?

Yes.

Just hundreds of comments related to the news article at the start of the series.

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HeckYeah · 10/10/2026 19:04

An oil tanker exploded and caught fire in the Strait of Hormuz after striking a naval mine.

www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-911241

Holeymoley28 · 10/10/2026 19:07

To add some light to this thread for the sky lovers.

We are allegedly on high alert for aurora tonight. The whole of the uk.

sparklypinkgoblin · 10/10/2026 19:27

Things are moving apace and I have decision fatigue.Quite a bit of water/storage/tabs and shelf-stable food plus lighting, social housing so can't store camp stove and butane, have a rocket stove (indoor use if i use exo gel), but also very conscious of the need to increase food and water as well as look at sleeping bags, maye pop- up tents, woollen blankets and warm/thermal layers plus small power bank, maybe a kelly kettle and definitely a lifesaver/grayl or sawyer (going mad trying to work out which water filtration and/or purification makes more sense).Anyone in a similar dilemma, what would you prioritise? Can't afford to buy everything now, but feel I need to have a bulletrproof list of priorities, and stick to it.Especially with the shifting situation we're living through.

GentleSheep · 10/10/2026 19:54

sparklypinkgoblin · 10/10/2026 19:27

Things are moving apace and I have decision fatigue.Quite a bit of water/storage/tabs and shelf-stable food plus lighting, social housing so can't store camp stove and butane, have a rocket stove (indoor use if i use exo gel), but also very conscious of the need to increase food and water as well as look at sleeping bags, maye pop- up tents, woollen blankets and warm/thermal layers plus small power bank, maybe a kelly kettle and definitely a lifesaver/grayl or sawyer (going mad trying to work out which water filtration and/or purification makes more sense).Anyone in a similar dilemma, what would you prioritise? Can't afford to buy everything now, but feel I need to have a bulletrproof list of priorities, and stick to it.Especially with the shifting situation we're living through.

Well, if you're cold you'll be utterly miserable and it's bad for health so I'd prioritise warm clothing, maybe then get a lifestraw and/or get some containers in which to store water - I've got some collapsible ones from Amazon that I can fill at the first sign of trouble which significantly increases water supply.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C782HGHH?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2&th=1

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2026 20:09

Brett Eriksson AT BrettErikson28
President Trump, speaking to reporters this afternoon, indicated that the United States may join the Saudi/Yemen War with military strikes.

I cannot POSSIBLY overstate how reckless and insane this would be.

Ansar Allah (Houthis) have PROVEN over and over again that they can strike Saudi infrastructure at will. The United States has absolutely no capability to stop this right now with their interceptors being so thoroughly depleted.

The ONLY thing that would come from this is Ansar Allah COMPLETELY closing off the Bab al-Mandeb, which would immediately throw the global economy off the rails.

But Trump is not a rational person.

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