Would you vote to re-join the EU in another referendum?

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Simple question. If there is another referendum to re-join the EU, will you be voting to re-join?

This isn't to have a go at anyone who supported Brexit, or who supported Remain, it's just a quick straw poll. Thank you.

If anyone is wondering, (or cares!) I think I will vote to re-join. (I won't say at this point what I voted for last time...)

However the small plus is the brexit arms may open again 😍

I think this thread has shown why leaders need to lead and not rely on referenda and focus groups to make policy.

If you believe in something, put it in your manifesto and campaign for it. And then leave the details to the experts that you have employed for that precise purpose.

However the small plus is the brexit arms may open again 😍

I remember that. The thread tried to stay hidden but it was always hunted down and exposed……..

On leaving the details until after a GE that may backfire. If there’s no assurance on important detail eg the euro then it’s safer to not go for it.

Will it serve unpalatable white wine from Norfolk, thick ales and ciders brewed from rats and old men’s pants? How about food? Overcooked scampi, still frozen chips with a gunk encrusted bottle of ketchup to smear over it? Two screens of football playing to no one and some battered St George cross bunting?

@EasternStandard ,

‘On leaving the details until after a GE that may backfire. If there’s no assurance on important detail eg the euro then it’s safer to not go for it.’

If it is the single market, there is no Euro. If he says full membership, it implies the Euro (eventually).

I suspect that he could get the single market easily enough, with the majority of the financial benefit, but not full membership. That could be for the future (if ever).

As to the other details, that is a bit of a fraught question. Obviously every manifesto commitment, when it gets passed into law, becomes incredibly detailed. However, we rely on our government and civil service to sort out these details for us, even important ones. Most people are not ‘policy winks’ and don’t want or need every detail.

They will over the Euro. Support for re-joining differs based on what the opt outs are.

@Alternativelyviewedplenty of those dastardly far right black labs too.

@Ilovewhippets it shouldn't have had to try to hide but those where the types we were dealing with !

I just wonder if this is the right moment for this subject to be raised ?

Alternativelyviewed · Today 14:59
it shouldn't have had to try to hide but those where the types we were dealing with !

I agree. At the moment on here the Starmer/Burnham and Labour isn’t Working threads have an unofficial agreement to leave each other alone which seems to work well (most of the time 😂)

The OBR didn't calculate anything - its assumption is based on the average of thirteen external studies. Taking the average is rather simplistic and half of the studies were somewhat lower than 4%. I couldn't say how many of the studies the OBR relied on were neutral.

Also, the analysis in your link does not take into account the budget contributions we would have to make for membership of the single market/EU. In the short term at least, our contributions would surely be greater than any extra tax revenue assumed.

Initially, it was freedom of movement of workers and service providers, the Maastricht Treaty (1992) formally established European Union (EU) citizenship.

individuals could still be removed or denied entry under specific public policy or economic conditions

It's quite difficult to actually deport an EU citizen if they don't wish to leave;

'In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy or public security - but only if it can prove you represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society.'

It's more difficult to deport EU citizens who have committed crimes, more difficult to deport EU citizens who are rough sleepers, plus EU citizens exercising their freedom of movement can rely on EU law to bring in family members and dependants, bypassing often stricter national immigration laws.

Weren't there Eastern European crime gangs?

Yes.

Europe is as much of an economic shitshow as the UK now. It wasn’t that long ago that Greece had to be bailed out.

For the first time in my life, my vote wasn’t self interest. I voted remain because I didn’t care either way.

I haven’t benefitted from Brexit but I haven’t lost out either - most of the people who want to rejoin just want freedom of movement. It doesn’t affect me in any way.

I would be tempted to vote to stay out though as we would be no wiser about any potential future.

Also I can’t align myself with people who are still so bloody angry after ten years because they or their offspring can’t just go to Europe at the drop of a hat.

They were in Italy. The bureaucracy is a little different (as you’d expect: we developed different systems), but I could access it immediately - and unfortunately needed it within a month of arrival.

I can assure you that I knew exactly what and who I was voting for during the fractious years of our membership. Happily, the nation elected to leave. The exit has been much more difficult than it needed to be, through the action of those in positions of power and influence with vested interests in remaining. Consequently, after ten years, divisiveness still festers, leading to exchanges like ours. I guess we’ll remain at loggerheads, but I respect your position and wish you no ill.

I am not in favour of another referendum on EU membership. Since 2016, the subject of Brexit has dominated UK politics and diverted attention from issues that affect people every day such as:

Cost of living
Housing

Do you want the Euro and for the EU to control our monetary policy
Do you want freedom of movement
Do you want the EU to set our trade policy

I think when those issues are put to the electorate in the run up to another referendum the issue wont be as popular as it is now.

The EU doesn't control members' monetary policy or trade policy. And hell yes, I want freedom of movement back.

Gammon is only used about white middle class middle aged men
I wouldn't say middle class, actually. Not exclusively anyway.

The EU has exclusive control over trade policy of its member states with non Eu countries.

The EU has exclusive control over monetary policy of Euro countries. Which we would have to become.

Freedom of movement may not be so popular with a country where excessive immigration is the number one priority as well as the economy.

It is possible to discuss and weigh up the pros and cons and be polite when discussing the issue

Pineneedles is spot on here re monetary and trade policy. The EU rule with a rod of iron.

With FOM, the UK was the second most popular (after Germany) for EU citizens to settle. Numbers state at the peak it was 4 million who came here, but we received over 6 millions applications from EU citizens to stay in the UK after Brexit. So there was a lot more living here than we realised.

It also included citizens born outside the EU but held EU passports who were allowed to stay in Britain using EU rules.

FOM for Brits wanting to live on the continent was much much smaller with 1.3 million living over the 27 countries.

Of course it controls trade policy that is literally the point of a trading block

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